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From "Niall Martin" <niallandje...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject Re: [UX][DISCUSS] Default Document Border
Date Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:28:11 GMT
I for one do change defaults when I can find the way to do it.  Spent some time thee other
day trying to 
work round Base's default report format which I find wasteful of space., for example. I always
change 
the default format to Times from Arial.

Best wishes


On 28 Sep 2012 at 10:05, Armin Le Grand wrote:

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Subject:        	Re: [UX][DISCUSS] Default Document Border

>  Hi,
> 
> On 28.09.2012 03:22, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> > KG01 - See comments inline.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:54 AM, tj <tj@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/27/2012 09:45, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> >>
> 
> snip
> 
> >>
> >> It's fairly obvious that some users like page framing (I do), and
> >> others don't. We could add a checkbox under Tools > Options >
> >> Writer >  View, in the "view" column: ☑ Page frame
> >>
> >> If you want to get elaborate, we could put some radio buttons
> >> underneath this option: • Chop marks • Corners • Borders ...
> >>
> >
> > KG01 - yes, this is what I was thinking. How might we proceed?
> > Sketch up the solution? Seek a developer to implement?
> 
> I like the gereral idea, but I also agree that the default should be
> the old behaviour. This again means that nearly nobody will use the
> other possibilities (who changes defaults...?).
> 
> Seeing that this task looks like a luxury problem to me. Should we
> really spend ressources in implementing four kinds of page document
> border visualisation (one existing, three fancy new ones)?
> 
> With the points collected I would suggest just a slight change:
> 
> - Use the existing possibility for changing the color of document
> borders to reduce the contrast, choose a lighter gray color for it and
> make it the new default.
> 
> That's it. I would not do more currently.
> 
> There are more UI tasks where putting ressources will benefit more
> users IMHO...
> 
> >> where that last leads to a dialog such as can be found on "Border"
> >> tabs in various places, controlling line thickness, color,
> >> placement ...
> >>
> >
> > KG01 -Interesting. I would say this is separate enhancement. My goal
> > is to reduce "noise" on the editing page, but be flexible to support
> > contexts of use where boarders are helpful guides.
> >
> > This is assuming that users who don't want frame marking would
> > almost never use it. For users who want quick toggle (if there are
> > any), we could add an entry to the "Writer > Formatting aids" list
> > for what is shown when NPC is selected.
> >
> > KG01 - Makes sense. Great idea.
> >
> >
> >> Note the importance of setting the defaults such that the current
> >> UI appearance is unchanged. Users who want changes should have to
> >> do a little work; those who don't, shouldn't.
> >>
> >>
> > KG01 - This is a difficult call. On one hand, the is significant
> > interest in a refreshed UI. One that is lighter, more task focused
> > and appears contemporary. On the other hand, change can be
> > difficult. I understand that Microsoft Office, which has significant
> > instrumentation, data suggest that only 5% of users customize their
> > doc editor workspace. The goal should be to provide the right
> > default, a smart default that addresses the user's goals and
> > reinforces our design language. We need data to drive this, and
> > other similar decisions.
> >
> > KG01 - I will update the work item to include elements of this
> > thread.
> >
> >
> snip
> 
> >
> 
> Sincerely,
>  Armin
> --
> ALG
> 
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Niall Martin
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