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From Tamblyne <>
Subject Re: Scam issues.
Date Sat, 18 Aug 2012 00:35:43 GMT
On 8/17/2012 12:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Tamblyne<>  wrote:

>> I definitely agree with what you say, and am familiar with the issues. It's
>> only that the horse will have already left the barn before the people who
>> really need that info will find it.
> Any suggestions for how we could do this better?
> The one thing we're not able to do is go out, guns blazing, with cease
> and desist orders and DMCA take-downs, etc.  We're not a big
> corporation.
> One idea -- more of a dream than a plan -- is to contact other open
> source projects who face similar issues, and work together to raise
> recognition of the issue, educate users, but also push for less
> expensive routes for non-profits to raise complaints in these areas.

You know, I was just thinking the other day I'm so tired of people 
don't contribute solutions -- and here I am doing exactly the same 
thing.  :-)

I wish I had some suggestions for you -- I just don't.  My point, which 
has apparently been badly stated, is bemoaning the technical 
sophistication of the "average user" -- not the efforts of Apache to get 
rid of the Bad Guys.  You'll never get rid of them -- they just appear 
again in another incarnation.

I honestly don't know how you could educate users at this point.  I 
mean, what alternatives are there that haven't already been implemented? 
  People are *still* being taken by Nigerian scams -- and those have 
been widely publicized, so what hope is there?

I belong to dozens of mailing lists and scammers/spammers post nasty 
links to those daily.  You'd think pretty much everyone knows not to 
click on them -- they're pretty obvious and no effort is made to mask 
them at all.  The list Gurus post regularly about the hazards.  And yet, 
weekly, someone posts complaining that the list admins should do 
something about those Bad Guys, because they clicked on the link and 
their computer was infected as a result.

So -- it seems you've gotten the impression that I think you guys aren't 
doing enough to rid the web of the imposters.  That's not the case at 
all -- mostly because I think, even if you did have the resources you 
lack, you wouldn't be able to accomplish it.  A few dribs and drabs here 
and there, maybe, but you'll never get rid of the problem.

The only suggestion I might be able to advance is maybe find an attorney 
who would be willing to send out those notices pro bono -- I would 
actually do it for you if I had a license.  :-D  That stuff is all 
boiler-plate anyway, so the actual notices aren't the problem.  It's the 
follow up that's time consuming, and if you have an offender who knows 
you're flying without a net, the piece of paper has no teeth.

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