Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-users-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-users-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B91F890F5 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 36640 invoked by uid 500); 1 Apr 2012 17:06:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-users-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 36603 invoked by uid 500); 1 Apr 2012 17:06:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-users-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-users@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 36594 invoked by uid 99); 1 Apr 2012 17:06:50 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:06:50 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [213.179.193.33] (HELO a.mx.nexaima.net) (213.179.193.33) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:06:44 +0000 Received: from a.mx.nexaima.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by a.mx.nexaima.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207D59E0F6C for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:01:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=nexaima.net; h=message-id: in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:reply-to: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns/txt; s= selector1; bh=+5hqNEVzlCNF7jZ1ePdvRqio8q4=; b=M51yiYandjaYLtXUFz lZxEH52LZY/ldL3dlbCa1875065qI60KEFEi1Z15LpecyPfGH6g+1ocF52PUiK+h cB7U2eva3HMLVzrlcb1TCfZN9J6RTMAtPCT2u0YAscVlhG8Y8xXPp8AkdkErfJzc Jz/8tkSHeFckbFSJTrloxGVdw= Received: by a.mx.nexaima.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id B54399E0F74; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 151.25.10.134 (SquirrelMail authenticated user can52gindo) by nexaima.net with HTTP; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:01:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40914.151.25.10.134.1333299670.squirrel@nexaima.net> In-Reply-To: <4F78692C.9030707@scottsonline.org.uk> References: <003001cd0f8f$bad89af0$3089d0d0$@acm.org> <4F780499.6060606@scottsonline.org.uk> <42632.151.25.10.134.1333286568.squirrel@nexaima.net> <4F78692C.9030707@scottsonline.org.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:01:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: A moderator's view of this list [was: Re: I Hate Your Product] From: "M. Fioretti" To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: mfioretti@nexaima.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el4.centos.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, April 1, 2012 4:41 pm, Mike Scott wrote: > Actually, while I remember a disagreement, I'm not sure myself of the > details. I think it might have been about using some sort of engine to > guess a likely answer to unsubscribed queries - I vaguely seem to recal= l > you didn't approve: Yes, now I remember, thanks. I stepped in because you suggested a bayesia= n autoresponder, and I explained why in my opinion it wouldn't work in this case. But it was a purely technical disagreement, nothing personal. Heck, I was so happy to have found somebody else that didn't want to "send agai= n to unsubscribed user"!. Anyway, it's all in the thread I posted yesterday= . apologies if my memory is wrong. > > On that latter point, do I understand correctly that the basis of your > approach is to track incoming unsubbed emails, and automatically copy > corresponding list responses to their originators, so removing the > subbed/unsubbed issue entirely? Response would still be from a person, > but they'd not have to worry that the originator might not receive the > reply. correct. The way I propose to recognize unsubscribed users is the ONLY on= e that can work because, running on the same server as the mailing list software, can do it in the right way: checking if the sender address is i= n the list of subscribers :-) Then it sends copy of all and only the list replies to that message to that sender address. Details in the thread I posted yesterday, there's no need I type the whole thing again. > plus carefully worded information about subscribing and > the benefits (and otherwise) of doing that. One might mix both approach= es Bayesian filters cannot work in this case because they assume that the sender knows what he's talking about. And it's not needed at all, if the sender receives answers from real humans anyway. But of course the copy automatically sent by the autoresponder can and should have added the extra info you describe. Marco --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: ooo-users-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: ooo-users-help@incubator.apache.org