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From Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>
Subject Re: OOo, ODF 1.2 extended format and Word: is the possibility to open OOo generated file by word ed as bug?
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:44:44 GMT
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Simon Phipps
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On Jan 16, 2012 8:23 PM, "Rob Weir" <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > Your easy conclusion that LibreOffice is at fault is wrong. Please see
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44498
> > and
> > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=115789
> >
> > You'll see that this is indeed a reflection of a bug in MS Word that is
> avoided in OOo because of a bug in OOo 3.3 ("Files from OpenOffice.org
> Writer fail the validation at the OpenOffice validation site allegedly
> because the manifest:manifest (root) tag in the META-INF/manifest.xml file
> lacks a version attribute.")
> >
> > Given this is a bug in MS Word, it is best avoided both in LibreOffice
> and in a future AOO release by using a format that MS Word handles
> correctly >such as .DOC or ODF 1.1, unless Microsoft issues a patch.
>
> If a program does not meet user expectations then it is a bug.  If you
> want to be compatible with Microsoft Office then you need to play by
> their rules.  The existence of standards like ODF and OOXML does not
> change the basic fact that interoperability is hard work.  It requires
> testing.  It does not happen overnight. It is not merely the result of
> an incantation that begins with the sacred syllables "ISO".
>
> In any case Seeing responses like this from LibreOffice makes be very
> optimistic about the future of Apache OpenOffice.  Whatever the cause,
> the fact that LibreOffice ships with this problem shows either a
> woefully inadequate QA program, or total indifference to real world
> requirements.  Even testing a single LibreOffice document in Office
> 2007 would have shown this bug.  Is that too much to expect?
>
> And if you prefer written specifications to testing, there is always
> Microsoft's Implementation Notes on Office 2007, where they spell out
> in great details what  they do and do not support in ODF 1,1:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee908651%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>
> LibreOffice could have prevented this bug by checking there as well.
>
> -Rob
>
> > S.
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2012, at 12:42, Dan Lewis wrote:
> >
> >>     From what you wrote, there is no bug in OOo. OOo clearly creates
> >> documents that Word 2007 can read. The problem is with LibreOffice: it
> >> is the one with the bug. OOo and LibreOffice are not the same.
> >> LibreOffice is a fork of OOo meaning it has the same basic computer
> >> code, but it also has some computer code that differs from OOo. The bug
> >> seems to be located in the computer code that differs from OOo.
> >>     If you want to use LibreOffice when sending documents to people
> >> having Word 2007, you will need to wait until LibreOffice fixes the bug.
> >> However, as you pointed out, you can use OOo 3.3.3 now. Why not continue
> >> using OOo?
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 13:14 +0100, Jacek wrote:
> >>> Word 2007 has no issue to open OOo created ODF 1.2 extended file. As I
> was told that it's because of a bug of OOo, I fear that in the future the
> bug will be fixed and the possibility of opening the OOo file when default
> format is used will be lost (as it is the case with LibOffice, today).
> >>>
> >>> I would like to recommend to some Association members I work with, to
> use Open Office, but they are not the ones who can change OOo settings or
> play with output file format. For me, it is a mean to introduce in their
> environment some "libre" software. But, it will work only and only, if they
> have no issue when exchanging the files with external world.
> >>> For the time being they use Word, but as they have to upgrade their
> computers, I planned to recommend, at first LibOffice. As I found the
> LibOffice issue with word, I tried OOo.
> >>> I was happy that there were no issue with word to open OOo 3.3.3
> created file till the moment I was told that this is a bug in OOo and that
> this bug will be fixed...
> >>>
> >>> Bregs
> >>>
> >>> Jacek
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Message d'origine-----
> >>> De : Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanlewis@gmail.com]
> >>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 janvier 2012 12:56
> >>> À : ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >>> Objet : Re: OOo, ODF 1.2 extended format and Word: is the possibility
> to open OOo generated file by word ed as bug?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 09:14 +0100, Jacek wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I tried to open ODF 1.2 extended format file generated by LibOffice
> >>>> using Word 2007 and this didn't work properly.
> >>>>
> >>>> I tried OOo 3.3.3 and I had no issue to open ODF 1.2 extended  file
> >>>> generated by it using word.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone told me that I was successful in opening OOo created file in
> >>>> word because of a bug in OOo. And he added that this bug would be
> >>>> fixed in the future.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this statement correct? Am I able to open OOo created file because
> >>>> of bug? If so, is this "bug", which allows Word 2007 to open OOo
> >>>> generated file, going to be fix, i.e. is OOo going to generate the
> >>>> files, which will be difficult to open with Word or other Microsoft
> Office modules?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this the right forum to ask this question? If not, please let me
> >>>> know where it should be asked.
> >>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>>> Jacek
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     The problem may be with Word 2007. ODF 1.2 extended was created
> after Word 2007 so Word 2007 does not know how to handle the changes made
> when the open document format went from ODF 1.1 to ODF 1.2 extended. There
> has been some comments on this mailing list earlier about MS Office not
> handling ODF 1.2 extended.
> >>>     Work around: open the document in OOo. Change the ODF setting.
> >>> (Tools > Options > Load/Save > General ) Then use save As to save
the
> document as ODF 1.0/1.1.
> >>>
> >>> --Dan
> >>>
> >>>
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