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From floris v <floris...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: OOo, ODF 1.2 extended format and Word: is the possibility to open OOo generated file by word ed as bug?
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:55:09 GMT
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Seriously, before you make derisive comments on another software 
product, you should first make sure that you can't be blamed for exactly 
the same thing.
OOo, all versions since I_don't_know, have the same annoying bug in the 
export filter to Word (and import from Word as well, I suppose). It's in 
converting the page style if the _Next page_ property of the page style 
definition is another page style, like in the First page, where the next 
page is set to Default. Every single time you convert a file with such 
page styles in it, the different header/footer definitions will 
disappear and you get a file with the same headers/footers for the 
entire document. And not because Word doesn't have a way to get the same 
effect - it's the Continuous section break that you can insert anywhere 
in a page but it will take effect at the start of the next page. It has 
been around since at the latest Word 97, but I think it was there even 
earlier. Anyone who converts a file from OOo to Word van easily spot 
this bug, and it's often reported at the community forum. But the 
developers probably think that this bug is trivial.

The attachment is a Word file (made with Word 2002). The second page 
gets a header with the text "This doesn’t show on page 1." It could read 
as well: "This doesn’t show in any current version of OOo or LO."

floris v aka Peter

Op 16-1-2012 21:23, Rob Weir schreef:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Simon Phipps<simon@webmink.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> Your easy conclusion that LibreOffice is at fault is wrong. Please see
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44498
>> and
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=115789
>>
>> You'll see that this is indeed a reflection of a bug in MS Word that is avoided in
OOo because of a bug in OOo 3.3 ("Files from OpenOffice.org Writer fail the validation at
the OpenOffice validation site allegedly because the manifest:manifest (root) tag in the META-INF/manifest.xml
file lacks a version attribute.")
>>
>> Given this is a bug in MS Word, it is best avoided both in LibreOffice and in a future
AOO release by using a format that MS Word handles correctly>such as .DOC or ODF 1.1, unless
Microsoft issues a patch.
> If a program does not meet user expectations then it is a bug.  If you
> want to be compatible with Microsoft Office then you need to play by
> their rules.  The existence of standards like ODF and OOXML does not
> change the basic fact that interoperability is hard work.  It requires
> testing.  It does not happen overnight. It is not merely the result of
> an incantation that begins with the sacred syllables "ISO".
>
> In any case Seeing responses like this from LibreOffice makes be very
> optimistic about the future of Apache OpenOffice.  Whatever the cause,
> the fact that LibreOffice ships with this problem shows either a
> woefully inadequate QA program, or total indifference to real world
> requirements.  Even testing a single LibreOffice document in Office
> 2007 would have shown this bug.  Is that too much to expect?
>
> And if you prefer written specifications to testing, there is always
> Microsoft's Implementation Notes on Office 2007, where they spell out
> in great details what  they do and do not support in ODF 1,1:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee908651%28v=office.12%29.aspx
>
> LibreOffice could have prevented this bug by checking there as well.
>
> -Rob
>
>


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