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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Using the ooo-users list, FAQ, etc.
Date Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:15:06 GMT
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> I think a monthly FAQ on the policies for this list would be useful.

Like an automated "administrivia" post?

> As one of the three moderators of this list, I just received the
> first-seen moderation-request for an honest-to-goodness spam of
> the Nigerian money-laundering scam sort.
> Most of the moderation requests that the list robot sends to my
> inbox are for unsubscribed or not-yet-subscribed posters.  There

Most of what I see are posts by users who are subscribed, but are
sending from a different email address than their normal one.

> is a way to let the post through, with the option of enabling all
> future posts as well, but it doesn't grant a subscription.  That
> takes the usual ritual.  No one is subscribed automatically.  Sometimes
> moderation can take several hours depending on when moderators are
> awake and reading their mail.  (Reading mail while asleep is discouraged.)
> I give moderation requests first-priority in my inbox.

I do the same.

> I suppose the FAQ could talk about that.

Is that really a question that users are asking?  And frequently?  But
it might be a good FAQ "How to Moderate" for the PPMC FAQ section of
the website.

> The FAQ should point out that all posts are archived and as a matter
> of policy, posts are not deleted and I am not sure a moderator can do it.
> The FAQ could point out about access via GMane too.

These are good things.  Maybe just a webpage/markdown on mailing lists
in general.  We have the start of one already:

It could easily be expanded.  We could then link to it in a monthly
administrivia post.  In particular, some of the info (like using GMane
or the archives) should be easy findable without needing to subscribe
to the list.

> Likewise, banning users is not taken lightly (or done easily).  Unless
> an user turns into a spam source or goes off into some sort of
> off-topic-for-everything-at-all message-strafing attack (and serious
> offensive speech after cautioning), the idea is for list users to work
> out controversies among themselves and clean up our own street.
> Any more thoughts about what a FAQ should contain beside basic logistics
> and what the scope of subject-matter for the list is?

I've only seen one question that I'd consider "frequent" and that is
how to unsubscribe.  But I don't think there is much we can do to make
that not be the most-asked question.

> As for etiquette, I would go so far as to link to a nice treatment
> provided by Italo Vignoli at <>,
> with minimal patches with regard to difference in subject matter and
> other details that apply to this list.

Also worth looking at the Apache mailing list guidelines:

>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hagar Delest []
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:48
> To:
> Subject: Re: Forum outage
> The only action needed here is just to stop replying this topic!
> So please let this post be the last one.
> Hagar
> Le mar. 04 oct. 2011 11:10:46 CEST, floris v <> a écrit :
>> Op 4-10-2011 6:25, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
>>> And then farther down in the same message, the question Robert Holtman asked
>>> "Again, could you please expand on your opinion?"
>>> When Andreas objected to a characterization of forums (not exactly in a nice
>>> He responded to that also.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Larry Gusaas []
>>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 20:32
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: Forum outage
>>> On 2011-10-03 9:23 PM Robert Holtzman wrote:
>>>> Errr...I didn't ask any questions.
>>> Yes you did. You asked "Could you please expand on your objection to mailing
lists?" You
>>> received a very clear response to that question which you then denigrated by
accusing the
>>> author of "ranting.
>> +1. Some forums have the advantage that you can add users to an ignore list. It'd
be great to have that possibility here as well.
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