Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-marketing-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-marketing-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8ADE9F38 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 00:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 73679 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2012 00:32:00 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-marketing-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 73649 invoked by uid 500); 3 Mar 2012 00:32:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-marketing-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 73641 invoked by uid 99); 3 Mar 2012 00:32:00 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:32:00 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [72.30.239.128] (HELO nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.128) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:31:54 +0000 Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 00:31:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.200] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 00:31:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2012 00:31:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 182500.93233.bm@omp1009.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 55477 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2012 00:31:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.au; s=s1024; t=1330734693; bh=PY6g88VLOXdUGfKr9nxvjEr0pifzouJZdXZV2KulOGM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2LQCon8yhnmnIW4fctFBjJJHkqjuiOh1EcH6e05VEi5Sd0QiY/JekinV16zzHC0F/xmoNrwbsYVV5kE3OwrxM9r2LdhVZhFivjyPetbJyKKXULJpWvHiykFlV3HYcCz7UZ+rQVUMcY2woiQiYStiRQGLWfRCT94tI7qQ+BzmA8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dAJCqutw+3N5CaT2J3yUwiWYJc51FyUX2tK5D3+rzJsEocr0PmKqAR1sGFvGoqmiKJBbFL2Aj6KNFndyyD4ufZcR0wNV3sR1x7IGhkbIEW5bmTlG+NeuHk2wen54EPNIGogemCpUINW0OzlqwyP3FNr6+o2wKh1afPtT9ThYb6I=; X-YMail-OSG: VwT97.MVM1llznciYEDUmehk5sxaOaldGuoyMR3YW8faj7p 82FqzlzAJHksrUlEc.KZ716MlkOdtPE1JSAFe.MGYipDtPh3YNE4pgpjNfHy wzX1AEeg9A4T3oQmGF_o4y6Sw8MdzB0fBgUFI.rdIRpMEEi50REf4V_YYk.S NQD54Ov5OjvWpjjI2eeY9mjCxau_6mAst69hKOzbb6.ZOagOasBEh1r2lzZv 4h4oM3CaGIIGw9mwcybz8H9sdxRpWvyD415C1my2dlSrLN3id0g7yAhs5bec ZkWet11kL4vrcNNPjZcKa7Z_f9pe0lCCpV0RVb2SpOmdRp0kvXJd0LITdk.P 9yYcYMObFZymOgkRk9hf5LjPvdL4uS5TOhWGY5QjXTxZCi9e89TR7PIjf2ob QF3DFFkwYa_CAIioM0OHUvUmq27tEqzIaVic7YEiFf75PoYxzZIKBTjImfiq dgYQ.vZSc4hJzngupc6Scuxk73DXiY_zyXb7jStsKTDhks306CV7Vf3gZ.vU SVzVEfgMhwcadjosro4zM0SuEi4NOz2ti.QztoTk5ZCPIeQvwhu27AQMLSMR 82C69ChZVztQoIPPS8WSYV08Z6pzNG74kfHBbJ7YTi3_Xghs3LeeqIyRNSkJ AXW.fd3kC3sh4BbIAmSRN4PlngU1G0g1Caj7vUH0ZueG_ct8- Received: from [220.233.44.206] by web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:31:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <010d01ccf8a8$56803a20$0380ae60$@acm.org> Message-ID: <1330734692.52234.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:31:32 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Reply-To: Terry Subject: Re: OpenOffice promotion tips To: "ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org" In-Reply-To: <010d01ccf8a8$56803a20$0380ae60$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I don't get the metaphor but never mind that.=A0 My observations are based = on several years of tracking forum posts and working in business environmen= ts.=0A=0A1.=A0 In my day (and I know things may have changed), most documen= ts dispatched by an organisation were (are) in hard copy form,=A0 Bureaucra= cy still reigns supreme, so I doubt that much has changed in that respect.= =A0 I know that the paper war I experience is as active as ever.=A0 Format = compatibility is not required for documents which will be printed before di= spatch.=0A=0A2.=A0 Many documents are produced in an organisation for use w= ithin an organisation.=A0 Compatibility with other formats is not required = for that.=0A=0A=0A3.=A0 Many individuals who require compatibility do so in= order to work with their employer's documents.=A0 If their employer uses t= he open document format so will they.=0A=0A4.=A0 Organisations raising issu= es on forums have, more often than not, been obliged to use other software = to gain the feature they need.=A0 One issue which has surfaced a few times = has been the difficulty of enabling editing by more than one user at a time= .=A0 A recent one concerned the lack of security for temporary files create= d by the software.=0A=0A5.=A0 The article cited refers to collaboration via= the web.=A0 If MSFT and Google see that as a market worth providing for, w= e could pay it some attention.=0A=0ATerry=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message= -----=0A> From: Dennis E. Hamilton =0A> To: ooo-m= arketing@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 6:1= 1 AM=0A> Subject: RE: Re: Re: OpenOffice promotion tips=0A> =0A>T he proble= m will be turning the puffery about "compatible with Microsoft =0A> Office = formats" into something fact-based that does not lead to folks =0A> abandon= ing OOo after enough failed interop efforts.=A0 Also, some folks do have = =0A> different user-experience preferences.=A0 =0A> =0A> The problem will b= e akin to this: =0A> .=A0 =0A> (See t= he sideways reference to LibreOffice in the File Fidelity section.)=0A> =0A= > - Dennis =0A> =0A> PS: For Firefox, the issue was who does HTML better al= ong with features such as =0A> speed, presumed security, price and ease of = substitution.=A0 At the moment, doing =0A> ODF better is not a compelling f= actor.=A0 I believe price and availability (Linux, =0A> Macintosh, Windows)= are factors at the consumer level, and interchange fidelity =0A> is the fe= nce around that corral.=A0 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -----Original Message-----= =0A> From: Ramon Sole [mailto:ramon.sole@opscons.com] =0A> Sent: Friday, Ma= rch 02, 2012 02:36=0A> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org=0A> Subject: = Re: Re: Re: OpenOffice promotion tips=0A> =0A> [ ... ]=0A> =0A> Maybe we sh= ould position AOO as a "better" product than MS Office -and =0A> =0A> that'= s doesn't mean more features, that's mean more suitable for the =0A> =0A> a= verage user.=0A> =0A> [ ... ]=0A>