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From Gianvittorio <gianvitto...@zandona.nl>
Subject Re: Bundling OpenOffice
Date Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:30:12 GMT
Rob and Vadim,
Great idea. One of the reasons why other office software gets more traction in B2B is the
fact that they can make it painless for customers (and OEM) to interact with them. I 
think that we need to have such a structure.
Gian

On Tue 21/02/12 23:08 , Rob Weir robweir@apache.org sent:
> Change the subject for this sub-thread.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Vadim Korsakov vadim.f
> inpm@gmail.com> wrote:> In my opinion negotiations with a hardware vendors
> is a good opportunity to> make the product popular. I also support this point
> of view. When I obtained> my laptop I also got 30 days free trial of one well
> known office software.> But when trial had ended I was forced to find some
> free and/or open source> solution because I was a student and I could not
> afford to buy also a> software for my PC. Now I am a happy user with
> several years experience of> using open office and other open source software. I
> am really lucky guy> because my university studies were related to IT
> and I knew how to optimize> my software expenses but there are dozens of
> non-tech people who knows only> one office software distribution and need to buy
>  it instead of investing> these money into their start ups, business or own
> projects.>
> 
> Exactly. Other hardware vendor often give only "trial" versions of MS
> Office.  But they could give the real, permanent, free OpenOffice.
> 
> > But I also think that we should not forget about
> pure software developers.> If we are talking about any well known non OS
> proprietary software developer>  we may try to negotiate with them about including
> OOo into their DVD and> electronic distributions. A company which will
> agree to be our partner will> show that they support open source community. It is
> a very good> advertisement for both of us which will cost
> $0.>
> 
> Do you have any SW vendors in mind?
> 
> Another possible partner might be telecom provider or large ISP.  They
> could make a customized version of OpenOffice available to their
> customers.  It might, for example, come with an extension that saves
> documents to the ISP's cloud storage system.  Or it could have other
> tie-ins to their services.
> 
> > SW developers have a good promotional resources for
> our community's project> and we also may promote them at the same time. I
> think it is a mutual> benefit.
> >
> > Vadim.
> >
> >
> > On 21-Feb-12 18:53, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Vadim
> Korsakovvadim.f
> inpm@gmail.com>>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello!
> >>>
> >>> I am thinking also about general promotion of
> open office.>>> I also think it would be a great idea to
> encourage companies who make>>> proprietary software to include OpenOffice in
> their distributions. But I>>> do
> >>> not think that companies who make proprietary OS
> will include OOo in>>> their
> >>> distributions. In most cases they have their own
> office software that>>> they
> >>> need to promote.
> >>>
> >> A few ways to think of this:
> >>
> >> 1) It is entirely reasonable for us to make Apache
> OpenOffice into a>> package that can be submitted to Linux distros and
> then made available>> to users in their package catalog.  In some cases
> we might also be>> installed by default.  But at the very least we
> can be listed in their>> catalog so users can easily install
> OpenOffice.>>
> >> 2) With Windows 8, they will have an "App Store"
> where users can>> browse and download software.  They will likely
> have technical and>> packaging requirements for this, but it is
> probably worth our effort>> to make sure that OpenOffice is very easy for
> Windows users to>> download and install.
> >>
> >> I'm not very worried about companies that have
> both operating systems>> and applications discriminating against
> OpenOffice.   There is strong>> regulatory pressure against companies using
> control over their OS to>> discriminate against competitors in the
> applications market.>>
> >>
> >>> We can also negotiate with different companies
> who produces all kinds of>>> software except OS to include in their
> distributions open office as a>>> bonus
> >>> to a customer. In my opinion it can improve the
> popularity of a product.>>> E.g. somebody buys an antivirus and gets a bonus
> office packet with the>>> same
> >>> DVD.
> >>>
> >> The bundling aspect is interesting as well.  But
> I'd focus more on>> hardware vendors.  Today many PC's come with some
> version of Office>> pre-installed.  Why not bundle Apache OpenOffice
> instead?  It allows>> the hardware vendor to lower their costs to
> consumers, making them>> more competitive.
> >>
> >>> What is your opinion?
> >>>
> >>> Vadim Korsakov,
> >>> Finland.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 21-Feb-12 18:25, Lily Kim wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Who are you people?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lily Kim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Gianvittoriogianv
> ittorio@zandona.nl>>>>> To: ooo-marketingooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org>;
Rob>>>> Weirrobweir@ap
> ache.org>>>>> Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:14 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: Where is the OpenOffice logo
> used?>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        Hi Rob,
> >>>>  How about:
> >>>>     *youtube tutorials
> >>>>     *companies offering services based on
> OpenOffice technology>>>>        Gian
> >>>>  On Mon 20/02/12 23:33 , Rob Weir robweir@ap
> ache.org sent:>>>>   I'd like to put together more complete
> branding and trademark usage>>>>  guidelines for the project. One goal would
be
> to have as many of the>>>>  common uses already described, and permission
> granted (under certain>>>>  conditions), without requiring additional
> approvals. For example, we>>>>  might (hypothetically say) that the logo
may
> be used on CD's that>>>>  contain unmodified, verbatim copies of
> OpenOffice, but that the use>>>> of
> >>>>  the logo with modified copies of the product
> would require explicit>>>>  permission from us. I don't want to debate the
> policy of what>>>>  permissions will be given and under which
> conditions today -- that>>>>  debate will happen later -- but I would like
> to enumerate how the>>>> logo
> >>>>  is used today, what range of goods and
> activities use it. This will>>>>  help us make sure that are policy covers
all
> of the common uses.>>>>  I'd love some help putting together this list.
> Please consider all>>>>  common uses, including the "bad" ones, so the
> policy takes into>>>>  account what we want to promote as well as we
> want to avoid.>>>>  Off the top of my head, I think we
> have:>>>>  - Distribution of CD's containing unmodified
> copies of the>>>> OpenOffice install
> >>>>  - Websites hosting downloads of the unmodified
> OpenOffice install>>>>  - Websites hosting modified installs for
> OpenOffice (some including>>>>  ad-ware, etc)
> >>>>  - Websites/blogs linking to the openoffice.org
> website for downloads>>>>  - User websites or blogs with banner
> expressing support of the>>>> project
> >>>>  and OpenOffice
> >>>>  - Social media websites with accounts that
> promote OpenOffice,>>>>  including ones that officially represent the
> project, as well as>>>>  unofficial ones.
> >>>>  - Books and articles about
> OpenOffice>>>>  - Banners at conferences and other venues
> where information about>>>>  OpenOffice is presented
> >>>>  - Official websites controlled by the
> OpenOffice project>>>>  - Unofficial websites that host
> OpenOffice-related material or offer>>>>  OpenOffice-related services, including
> commercial services>>>>  - Software based on OpenOffice, ranging from
> unmodiifed binaries>>>> with
> >>>>  bundled plugins, to modified installs, to
> modified core code,>>>>  including ports.
> >>>>  - Inclusion of OpenOffice in OS distributions
> and bundled with>>>> hardware
> >>>>  If anyone can think of anything else that
> they've come across,>>>> please
> >>>>  add it to the list!
> >>>>  Thanks,
> >>>>  -Rob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> 
> 
> 


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