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Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:09:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <12320B1B-6155-4836-BF36-E3B140607142@free.fr> <1323133793.84935.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1323254481.63656.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00cd01ccb50b$f8e18a20$eaa49e60$@acm.org> <010d01ccb518$1903e530$4b0baf90$@acm.org> Message-ID: <1323342599.34619.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 03:09:59 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Reply-To: Terry Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache OpenOffice.org) To: "ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.org" In-Reply-To: <010d01ccb518$1903e530$4b0baf90$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I suppose one's point of view is based on observation.=A0 I spend little ti= me on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.=A0 I still have accounts on stumbl= eupon, digg and slashdot.=A0 Are they still in the game?=0A=0A=0AWhat I see= happening (because of where I look) is reporters, commentators and blogger= s picking up a news item and writing about it.=A0 Not infrequently, the fir= st article or blog entry will be followed by a commentary by another writer= .=A0 The story gains currency by being reported or discussed on one or more= of many sites which focus on software.=A0 Such articles are also mentioned= on forums.=0A=0A=0AA link which Dennis posted on the users' list ( http://= stackoverflow.com/q/8418354 ) and the links which Rob posted recently on th= is list are worth publicising.=A0 I suppose the point I wanted to make is t= hat they are worthy of more publicity than they get on the mailing lists.= =A0 It's all very well for a few people on the lists to tweet or google+ an= d I don't decry efforts like that.=A0 I would just like to see something wh= ich can be picked up by more people, meaning people involved in the project= and interested observers.=0A=0AI replied to the question on stackoverflow = by suggesting a post in the community forums.=0A=0ABy the way, I did not in= tend to complain about the blog, merely to observe that in practice it is a= n underused asset.=0A=0ARegards, Terry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message= -----=0A> From: Dennis E. Hamilton =0A> To: ooo-m= arketing@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 = 6:40 AM=0A> Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic f= ormat in Apache OpenOffice.org)=0A> =0A> I agree, there are two layers to a= chievement of visibility.=A0 =0A> =0A> First there is the authoring and eve= n aggregation of interesting material about =0A> Apache OpenOffice. =0A> = =0A> Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably th= e =0A> lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and rep= lication.=A0 =0A> (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well.= =A0 YouTube, on the =0A> other hand, is a whole different story.)=0A> =0A> = Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automaticall= y) =0A> and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc.=A0 These= can broaden =0A> the interest and extend the conversation.=A0 With trackba= cks from posts of others, =0A> it can become very interesting.=0A> =0A> And= for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something = =0A> interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is e= asy to =0A> publish to.=0A> =A0 =0A> - Dennis=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> -----Origi= nal Message-----=0A> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org] =0A> Sent: = Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33=0A> To: ooo-marketing@incubator.apache.o= rg=0A> Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format= in Apache =0A> OpenOffice.org)=0A> =0A> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, De= nnis E. Hamilton=0A> wrote:=0A>> An useful low-f= riction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER =0A> Community Wiki= .=A0 It is archived and it permits comments.=0A>> =0A>> There is also the = Roller aggregator.=A0 I have been too lazy to figure out =0A> how to set up= a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the =0A> aggre= gator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream.=A0 That take= s =0A> care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggr= egation.=A0 (I =0A> forget the correct name for that.)=0A>> =0A>> Also, th= is moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the =0A> second-= highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs.=A0 Those are coming = =0A> from somewhere.=0A>> =0A> =0A> Partially due to my efforts to cross-pr= omote.=A0 For example, the blog=0A> post on the forum migration was linked = to on a Twitter tweet, and then=0A> retweeted 7 times.=A0 That brought a re= ach of over 2000 users.=A0 I can=0A> also see (thank you, bit.ly) that from= Twitter it was posted onto=0A> Facebook and then shared further.=0A> =0A> = Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a=0A> con= nection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to=0A> see = our posts.=A0 Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't=0A> expe= ct that it generates its own audience.=0A> =0A> -Rob=0A>