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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
Date Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:48:29 GMT
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Terry <> wrote:
> I suppose one's point of view is based on observation.  I spend little time on the likes
of Twitter and Facebook.  I still have accounts on stumbleupon, digg and slashdot.  Are
they still in the game?

Digg and Slashdot can drive big traffic.  I've had content from my
blog on Slashdot a few times, and you can easily get 50,000 - 100,000
visits from that, plus additional traffic from follow up articles.
But obviously only a small number of posts get prominent positions
there, and they tend to be ones that break news of broader interest,
are controversial, or both.  If we have a blog post that coincides
with our 3.4 release, it may have that kind of interest, especially if
we also have a good story for what we want to do in future releases as

> What I see happening (because of where I look) is reporters, commentators and bloggers
picking up a news item and writing about it.  Not infrequently, the first article or blog
entry will be followed by a commentary by another writer.  The story gains currency by being
reported or discussed on one or more of many sites which focus on software.  Such articles
are also mentioned on forums.

That happens still, but Twitter and Google+ are so much easier that
many people are sharing small stories or reposting things that way
rather than writing a blog post.

Of course, this is not an exclusive either/or thing.  Many blog
platforms allow you to add "Tweet me" buttons, Google+ buttons, etc.

> A link which Dennis posted on the users' list ( )
and the links which Rob posted recently on this list are worth publicising.  I suppose the
point I wanted to make is that they are worthy of more publicity than they get on the mailing
lists.  It's all very well for a few people on the lists to tweet or google+ and I don't
decry efforts like that.  I would just like to see something which can be picked up by more
people, meaning people involved in the project and interested observers.
> I replied to the question on stackoverflow by suggesting a post in the community forums.
> By the way, I did not intend to complain about the blog, merely to observe that in practice
it is an underused asset.

An accurate observation.  So what can we do about it?

We need topics and we need authors, and maybe we need editors.

I tried to set up a wiki page to collect ideas and for people to sign
up.  The idea was to create a pipeline of blogs posts so we have a
steady stream of them.  But when I made that proposal I received
nothing but grief.  Evidently, overt attempts at coordination are
anathema at Apache.


> Regards, Terry
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <>
>> To:
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 6:40 AM
>> Subject: RE: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
>> I agree, there are two layers to achievement of visibility.
>> First there is the authoring and even aggregation of interesting material about
>> Apache OpenOffice.
>> Blogging, with RSS feeds and syndication notifications, is probably the
>> lowest-friction authoring case that provides easy commentary and replication.
>> (Wikis are lower friction but don't disseminate so well.  YouTube, on the
>> other hand, is a whole different story.)
>> Then there is chatter via Twitter (my authoring tool does that automatically)
>> and other syndications: Linked In, Facebook, Google+, etc.  These can broaden
>> the interest and extend the conversation.  With trackbacks from posts of others,
>> it can become very interesting.
>> And for starters, someone has to give themselves permission to say something
>> interesting somewhere that provides the ground for visibility and is easy to
>> publish to.
>> - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir []
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:33
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Publicity (was Native support of the SVG graphic format in Apache
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <> wrote:
>>>  An useful low-friction case, for starters, would be use of the OOOUSER
>> Community Wiki.  It is archived and it permits comments.
>>>  There is also the Roller aggregator.  I have been too lazy to figure out
>> how to set up a blog category that has a separate RSS feed that goes into the
>> aggregator, but any committer can do that and create a news stream.  That takes
>> care of the RSS and it puts it on the Apache site in the Roller aggregation.  (I
>> forget the correct name for that.)
>>>  Also, this moribund blog site that Terry complains about still has the
>> second-highest number of hits among the Apache Roller blogs.  Those are coming
>> from somewhere.
>> Partially due to my efforts to cross-promote.  For example, the blog
>> post on the forum migration was linked to on a Twitter tweet, and then
>> retweeted 7 times.  That brought a reach of over 2000 users.  I can
>> also see (thank you, that from Twitter it was posted onto
>> Facebook and then shared further.
>> Again, we can diddle with Roller all we want, but unless you have a
>> connection to Facebook, Twitter and Google+ almost no one is going to
>> see our posts.  Think of Roller as a publication platform, but don't
>> expect that it generates its own audience.
>> -Rob

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