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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: TeamOpenOffice ( was spam, I assume? on users' list )
Date Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:28:18 GMT
Hi Terry,

We can't control TOO. We can only do the good work that we do. This project needs to get our
message out. Their's is irrelevant and the ASF will take care of the situation.

We are about to go live with ASF hosted This new version is currently
hosted at

It is my opinion that last minute adjustments to the site to strongly connect it to the project
make sense in advance. Rob disagrees and has the opinion that we should make many individual
changes after the migration. If people on this list have suggestions for changes to ooo-site
to be made in advance now is the time.

A huge amount of work has been done to migrate to ASF and donations to the ASF while not directed
to AOO will help this project. We need to get our message out. Lots of people end up at
Let's control the message NOW!

I'll help with the mechanics of the site, but I'm looking for others to generate the AOO message.


On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Terry wrote:

> Perhaps this is one of the first issues which needs to be addressed?  Dave, from memory,
mentioned it recently.
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Shane Curcuru <>
>> To:
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2011 3:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: spam, I assume?
>> I suppose if you're this surprised to see it, then it would be considered 
>> spam!   In any case, the email you got has nothing to to with Apache.
>> ----
>> This year, Oracle has donated the registered trademarks and domain names 
>> associated with to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), along 
>> with providing a Software Grant Agreement licensing the majority of the source 
>> code for the product under the permissive Apache License to the 
>> ASF.
>> The linked article on ITWorld is a very important read.  Team OpenOffice e.V. is

>> an organization in Germany of developers who had worked in the prior 
>> project that Sun/Oracle ran in the past.  Team 
>> e.V. has no relationship with the ASF nor with the Apache OpenOffice podling, 
>> and any statements that they make that imply ownership or control currently of 
>> the domain or software product should be disregarded.
>> As you can see right here on the ooo-users@ list and elsewhere, the Apache 
>> OpenOffice podling - undergoing Incubation here at the ASF - is doing well and 
>> is moving forward at creating some great new software based on the 
>> code that millions have used in the past, and plan to create a 
>> new product to be called Apache OpenOffice quite soon.
>> In particular, users should know that any financial donations they may choose to

>> make to Team e.V. have no bearing or relationship to the current 
>> product, and are completely unrelated to the workings of the ASF 
>> or the Apache OpenOffice podling.
>> Users who are interested in supporting future Apache OpenOffice development - or

>> even better documentation, support options, or other features on the 
>> domain are welcome to either participate in the Apache OpenOffice

>> project - just ask your questions or send suggestions to the mailing list - or 
>> are welcome to make a donation to the ASF as a whole at:
>> Since the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice podling plan to maintain the 
>> domain and legacy of a great end-user product for the foreseeable

>> future, I find it hard to understand why Team e.V. continues to 
>> insinuate that is dying, and continues to mislead consumers as to

>> the current owner of the brand: the ASF and the Apache OpenOffice

>> podling.
>> This is especially disturbing given that they're using the good name of a 
>> new Apache podling in a fundraising effort for their own coffers.
>> Thanks for the report of this (spam) email!
>> - Shane Curcuru
>>   Apache OpenOffice Mentor
>>   Vice President, Brand Management, The Apache Software Foundation
>> On 2011-12-16 10:42 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
>>> On 16/12/11 14:59, Mike Scott wrote:
>>>> I assume the mail I've just received, subject text "only a few 
>> more
>>>> days!", is spam. It starts:
>>>> "Team e. V.
>>>> This is the happiest time of the year!
>>>> Christmas time with Team – gifts included!
>>> .....
>>> Apologies for following up my own mail. I had one off-list reply to the
>>> effect that "I would be rather surprised if this was not totally ok. 
>> Now
>>> that Oracle has got out, another organization needed to be created, and
>>> thesis it." (Please, everyone, can stuff be kept on-list unless 
>> there's
>>> good reason otherwise?)
>>> However, I've also found the web page
>>> (mind the wrap) which is an interesting read.
>>> Since the email was sent direct to me, not via any subscribed list, I
>>> guess it is spam, pure and simple. I'm forwarding a complaint to the
>>> relevant ISP.
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