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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: [OT] IBM Lotus Symphony (ODF) Viewers now freely available on Android Marketplace and Apple App Store
Date Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:55:54 GMT

On Dec 12, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Graham Lauder wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 07:24:47 Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Graham Lauder <> 
> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 13 Dec 2011 04:31:19 Donald Harbison wrote:
>>>> There has been some Twitter activity calling attention to today's
>>>> release of the IBM Lotus Symphony Viewer[1] and the November 18th
>>>> release of same on Android Marketplace.[2]
>>>> While these are currently carrying the IBM branding, they work with most
>>>> ODF emitting applications including OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc. Give
>>>> them a try!
>>>> [1] <>
>>>> [2] <>
>>> Until such time as we see concrete evidence of IBM promises being
>>> actually fulfilled with regard to open sourcing of Symphony, then this
>>> is just spam and nothing that this list needs to know.
>> Maybe you didn't catch this discussion earlier. Symphony is based on
>> OpenOffice,og.  The code was contributed to Apache,
>> with a Software Grant Agreement that put many of its source files
>> under the Apache 2.0 license instead of the LGPL that
>> originally had.  We're now in the process of reviewing all of code,
>> reconciling that with the SGA, and replacing components that are not
>> included in the SGA and which have incompatible licenses, e.g., 3rd
>> party copyleft components.
>> Until this IP review phase is completed and accepted, IBM don't have
>> the right to contribute the Symphony source code under the Apache 2.0
>> license.   In other words, successful completion of the IP review is a
>> prerequisite for IBM contributing Symphony code with its own SGA.
> I caught the announcement and the discussion.  Perhaps you didn't notice that 
> I was one of the loudest cheer leaders. I have after all been waiting for some 
> such contribution for years.  However all we have is posturing and no real 
> evidence.  You yourself stated at that time: "we at IBM have not been 
> exemplary community members when it came to" so you'll forgive 
> me if I wait till I see hard evidence. Right now all we have is statements of 
> intent.  
> Don't get me wrong, I await with eager anticipation to see Symphony code 
> adding to OOo.  In fact if I were to pinpoint a single item from Symphony that 
> I would want to have included in OOo it would be the mail merge feature.  The 
> present mail merge has been a blocker for corporate uptake for as long as I've 
> been a MarCon. 
>> Since IBM engineers are working hard in the community to do this IP
>> review, and to clean up this code, in preparation for their SGA, I
>> think your comments are a bit severe.
> Not severe at all, if it had popped up in my moderation queue I would have 
> blocked it.

That seems like extreme moderation. Are you a moderator of any of the project lists?

> Symphony marketing announcements have no place on this list at this point in 
> time. In the future I look forward to that changing.

It doesn't bother me.


> Cheers
> GL

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