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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 21:21:15 +0100
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Subject: Re: Have you been contacted via private email and discouraged from
 participating on the OpenOffice project?
From: jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
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Hi Dave.

Even though I have stopped my companies, I still have many other things to
do than working on AOO, and when I had my companies I had limited time, so
I can for sure follow you. Today I am just trying to help open source as
such, because it has helped me a lot in my career.

And to answer your question, yes I do have some ideas (but they might be
wrong), I have listed some of the important ones below:
- We need to focus more on people who want to help, instead of using all
the legal stuff (which are necessary) as a buffer not to move things. (e.g.
I got 2 volunteers working on a danish translation, highly motivated, now
we are discussing details about how to release the stuff). I think Rob is
having a lead here with his new web pages.
- We do NOT want a war of religions between AOO and others, ASF is well
known, upper end of free software, so we should be publicly asking for
collaboration.
- I think events like ApacheCon is nice, but events like FOSDEM is quite a
lot more important for the "ordinary" openSource developer.
- I would like to see more "marketing" for developers, instead of
businesses...I think we need to get back to roots where a developers think
its fun, and pride to develop AOO. We could easily e.g. make challenges
like "who can solve this problem".

I am new to AOO (so I am either interfering or bringing in new views), but
I have quite some years of experience with openSource and I am a strong
believer of ASF. The "apache way" is in many ways a limitation, but at the
end it is the guarantee for a better end-user product.

Please accept my apologies, if I have broken n-policies, but I think the
question from Dave was well placed, and well formulated so it deserved a
straight answer.

Jan.


On 1 November 2012 20:51, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> We are all here as individuals with various and different amounts of time
> and energy. Many are employed to work on OpenOffice, but many like me are
> volunteers who have demanding day jobs. The key part of the Apache Way is
> that leadership comes from DOING and COMMUNICATING.
>
> You are new here with lots of admirable energy and work! This is what
> acquires merit in an Apache project!
>
> Since we ultimately can only control ourselves, do you have any
> suggestions about how we can more actively encourage participation?
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:38 AM, jan iversen wrote:
>
> > Please excuse me, I think I know the difference between hooligans and
> > people who are just blowing hot air.
> >
> > To be honest, at the moment AOO does NOT have a great deal of momentum,
> and
> > have (I think) lost a quite a lot of reputation among developers. That is
> > something we have to remedy, not by glittering folders, or smart
> marketing,
> > but by showing the developers, that we really care about their
> > contributions.
> >
> > If I may say so, some developers might see "the apache way" as a
> > limitation, which my experience during the last month somewhat confirms,
> I
> > think we really need to focus on "the community" instead of telling
> people
> > about legal issues, but about getting a product that still can out beat
> the
> > big (costly) products out there. Do NOT forget some state institutions in
> > EU choose OpenOffice against other, but today I would not be so sure !!!
> >
> > Sorry for the outburst, but I am used to say what I think, and I really
> > really want AOO to be the opensource project, as it was in the past. Lets
> > not forget why we are all here.....
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > On 1 November 2012 17:20, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2012/11/1 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> >>
> >>> I'm hearing that some project volunteers, especially new ones, are
> >>> being contacted by certain external parties, who then try to
> >>> discourage them from contributing to the Apache OpenOffice project.
> >>> I'm hearing that similar notes have been sent out to those who
> >>> submitted listings to our new Consultants Directory, also discouraging
> >>> them from involvement in the project.
> >>>
> >>> This is my personal view on this matter, for what it is worth.
> >>>
> >>> I think we all would agree that such techniques are deplorable and
> >>> bring disrepute to the individuals involved, and to the project that
> >>> sanctions such techniques.  If you recall we had a similar wave of
> >>> such unprofessional behavior a few months ago, when certain external
> >>> parties were contacting journalists who mentioned OpenOffice and
> >>> telling them that it was no longer being developed and to link to a
> >>> different product instead.
> >>>
> >>> I any case, if you are receiving such FUD yourself, I'd encourage you
> >>> to simply post it to this mailing list, or to your blog, or some other
> >>> public website.  "Daylight is the best antiseptic" as they say.  I am
> >>> not a medical doctor, but I do believe that FUD exposed to public
> >>> scrutiny loses its potency.   But FUD ignored is FUD that spreads.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There is and always will be people who do not understand what an
> opensource
> >> project is and behave like hooligans "defending" their soccer team. I
> hope
> >> they are just individuals and nothing more, but I fully agree to put
> each
> >> case under daylight.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ricardo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>
>
>

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