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From Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: AOO.Next IBM Priorities
Date Fri, 02 Nov 2012 05:22:50 GMT
KG01 - see comment inline

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the note, however knowing IBM I had hoped that one of the
> >> official goals was to help the development part of the community to get
> >> stabilized.
> >>
> >
> > This is what their costumers asked for, not IBM itself. Costumers dont
> care
> > about development, most of the time. They think everyting is created with
> > Pixeldust.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I acknowledge that it is important for IBM to get an output of invested
> >> energy/time/money, but I think IBM would benefit not only from features
> but
> >> also from the soft points of helping the community.
> >>
> >
> > I was a bit disapointed they didnt asked for some more 'enterprise-ready'
> > features like integration with ERP systems, tivoli, and credential
> > management of profiles, improve Base and add bridge to DB2 or something
> in
> > those veins.
> >
>
> Some of these are being done, but as extensions.  And in some cases
> they depend on proprietary code, so they lead to proprietary
> extensions.  Personally, I'd recommend bring features like this into
> the core only if they can be done in some open fashion, e.g.,
> standards based or at least an open driver-based or other extensible
> model which is open to all vendors.
>
> >
> >>
> >> that being said in response to your IBM HAT, but I do feel that you and
> >> other IBM Fellows still do a great job in getting  the community to
> >> prosper.
> >>
> >> Jan.
> >>
> >> On 1 November 2012 17:45, <robert_weir@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > A quick note, wearing my "IBM hat".
> >> >
> >> > We (IBM) have consulted with customers, internal users, other IBM
> product
> >> > teams, on what our (IBM's) development priorities should be for the
> next
> >> > AOO release.  Obviously, we're not the only ones with priorities or
> >> > interests or opinions.  We don't make AOO decisions by ourselves.
>  But we
> >> > want to be transparent about what our own priorities are, for our
> >> > employees participating in the AOO community, and what they will be
> >> > focusing on.   As we did with AOO 3.4.0 and 3.4.1, we'll be putting
> the
> >> > details onto the wiki over the next couple of weeks.  You'll hear
> more at
> >> > ApacheCon, but I wanted you to hear it hear first.
> >> >
> >> > Our top priorities:
> >> >
> >> > -- Improve the install and deployment experience, especially by
> >> supporting
> >> > digital signatures on installs, and introducing a new incremental
> update
> >> > feature, so users are not required to download and install a full
> image
> >> > for just a minor update.
> >> >
> >> > -- A major UI enhancement, a sidebar framework for the editors, ported
> >> > over from Symphony, and including an API.  If you recall, Symphony won
> >> > quite a lot of praise for its UI, and much of this was due to the
> sidebar
> >> > panel.  I think we can make a good argument that this approach, say
> >> > compared to the MS Office "ribbon" is a better use of screen
> real-estate,
> >> > especially as we see more frequent use of wide screen displays.
> >>
> >
> > I like what KOffice did with the management of tiles and panes, and I
> think
> > is a great UI study case. There were some of these ideas embedded in the
> UX
> > project. Personally I used to admire the UI from Macromedia projects
> which
> > had a nice use of toolbars, floating panes, and could add a series of
> > options in a clean icon-based intereface.
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > -- Improved Table of Contents in Writer
> >> >
> >> > -- Improved system integration on Windows and MacOS, including
> possible
> >> > adoption of "gestures".
> >>
> >
> > Is this like for tablets? Not sure what gestures means, Opear has some
> > gestures which are mouse keys combinations.
> >
>
> For example, MacOS "multi-touch" gestures.  See:
> http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/gestures.html
>
> >
> >> >
> >> > -- IAccessible2 bridge, ported over from Symphony, to improve
> >> > accessibility.  This is a major effort, but very important.
> >> >
> >> > -- Closer integration of clipart and template libraries with user
> >> > experience.
> >>
> >
> > I think there was always objections to bloat the office suite with too
> much
> > graphic intensive templates. Not sure if that opposition will be gone
> now.
> > Impress does need a major facelift with animations and transitions. GSOC
> > had integration bridge to OpenClipArt to import the clipart from the
> > website, this functionality is also present on Inkscape.
> >
>
> I think better integration with external repositories is key.  Look at
> what MS Office 2013 does.
>
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > -- Update branding and visual styling, contemporary and compelling,
> fresh
> >> > and relevant.
> >>
> >
> > Funny enough, stale is the new fresh, taken from logos of Chrome and
> > Windows, is more an art-deco style.
> >
>
> Maybe if we wait long enough what we have now will come back in fashion?
> ;-)
>
> >
> >> >
> >> > -- Social integration, allow our users to quickly and easily share
> their
> >> > thoughts in a way that compliment their commercial social behavior.
> >> > Explore the integration of consumer service-specific capabilities as
> well
> >> > as generic Share... actions.
> >>
> >
> > eww I hate this and dont really understand why companies want to "share"
> a
> > document.
> >
>
> Why do we share a news clipping or a status update or anything else?
> If you can grab content from a webpage and share it, why not from a
> document?  Even Kindle is seeing this, with ability to select content
> from an eBook and share it via Twitter and FB.
>
>
KG01 - Ya, this is important. If we assume the goal of our tools is to help
people capture, organize and share their thought and ideas, then social
integration is a basic expectation.



> -Rob
>
> >
> >> >
> >> > -- And many other smaller items
>


> >> >
> >> > Obviously the release date for this cannot be pinned down so early,
> and
> >> > releasing is PMC decision, not an IBM one.  But we think that this
> work
> >> > could be completed and tested for a release in the March/April 2013
> >> > time-frame.  And the scope of the release might be significant enough
> to
> >> > warrant a "4.0" designation.
> >> >
> >> > In any case, we'll soon set up a page on the wiki to collect these
> items.
> >> > As always, I invite you to add your own priorities to the wiki, things
> >> > that you would like to work on.  This could be a new feature.  Or, if
> one
> >> > of the above items sound interesting to you, we always welcome help
> >> > designing and implementing these features.
>


KG01 - I have set up a UX Opportunity backlog to capture candidates for
further exploration. Once explored, items from the backlog can make their
way into plan.

KG01 - Everyone is encouraged to visit the backlog and capture their
thoughts and ideas on design direction. No wrong answers, just a great
starting point.





> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> > http://es.openoffice.org
>

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