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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:18:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and
 list observers
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> <arielch@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>> The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the definition
>>>> of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of process which
>>>> was designed to identify people with sufficient merit.
>>>
>>> Now that you mentioned it, the process was more democratic, than
>>> meritocratic: it didn't only fail to identify people with sufficient
>>> merit, it also failed to measure merit (that's why I voted 0).
>>>
>>
>> Isn't this easy to solve?  All we need is for one proposed PMC-member
>> to say that they will, as one of their first actions as a TLP PMC
>> member, propose the former mentors for PMC membership.
>>
>> Is anyone willing to state this?
>
> Yes. That has been my plan. I also would accept any additions to the PMC that the Board chooses to make.
>

Great.  Personally I think it makes sense for the PMC to manage its
own evolution.  This is a non-trivial part of The Apache Way.

I realize that the ASF Board has the ability in extraordinary
situations to intervene directly in a PMC's decision making process.
"As a last resort" and "a blunt instrument" are the terms I recall
being used earlier in reference to Board intervention.   It will be
very interesting to see if they think this is a situation that
warrants such action.

-Rob

> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>>> La Plata, Argentina
>