Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21E41D5EB for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61046 invoked by uid 500); 29 Oct 2012 14:39:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60979 invoked by uid 500); 29 Oct 2012 14:39:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60964 invoked by uid 99); 29 Oct 2012 14:39:05 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:39:05 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of rgaloppini@geek.net designates 74.125.149.71 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.149.71] (HELO na3sys009aog103.obsmtp.com) (74.125.149.71) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:38:57 +0000 Received: from mail-qc0-f197.google.com ([209.85.216.197]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob103.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUI6U68KBsaDTZs28spZHJATeERjvBSEi@postini.com; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:38:36 PDT Received: by mail-qc0-f197.google.com with SMTP id x40so7513070qcs.0 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=qlF86ZzN4fNbyvgt5mfUlydZ+p/2Aw2lEpcMbdnJIrs=; b=XN8bgTBucM3hCpnifZCPw80irmHOK5SUunm08CZtxLelhvX1kJ4BawM8s/QteAXW9d f+2CTtY0iNarmAg9IlY62fbdKkPFByL49kSK1fm0+dsXEn9zmRaOR9U1b9yCtPeAOWIG 0FfY0IRpsp7Cf6ndOBEh02Tdbtej2ENoaJcehuGd+nj3DsGl49eBWChGRs4oVT/8q8Yl Ati928GFVwiOM4BXRbx17vGEUusNQRjLK9OC14zs4myNFqm4XFXmAOq8M2pZIszqBSWJ tijF13+3gPuh4UtSYIkqbPsUsru5UF91HyhUuffKbNnAAiAr/88lcXZVBCAFTEuwZNcK Prrg== Received: by 10.52.27.75 with SMTP id r11mr39552451vdg.94.1351521514969; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.27.75 with SMTP id r11mr39552446vdg.94.1351521514819; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.200.201 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50613738.4080308@gmx.org> <5063A28F.5000304@oracle.com> <508DCAE7.9030704@gmx.org> <508E2672.2040405@gmx.org> <9982DFFB6F5D440787956C8DE13F025D@Esprimo7935> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:38:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community From: Roberto Galoppini To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl+H2PZd8R1kR7Ulcm+JITOLoKXeyDgRjhRIXbjXLoKRUZi7LdLvygE+VeEwQ4YrssM4tZSldIr+vQn9XvBUNNo1KBgzzhqm6RPhrSC9/3FFiN2gyN6fIKUAY0nmWRA7jGAgFwF51W5XAsUslNQzFgbq1FWbpnqpZjilyK6Q7QdrehDVQA= X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > About Peter's point #2...I suppose this is getting kind of abstract, > but what is the payoff from expanding AOO's community? A more diverse and sustainable project. For example, until few years ago having OOo integrated or at least able to interoperate with SAP was a distinct dream, is there any chance we can have the right SAP people to attend the AOO BoF, and discuss about this? SugarCRM's CEO wrote in early May [1] wrote that he they were looking at how they can integrate with OpenOffice, it would be great to see things like this happening. Roberto [1] http://lmaugustin.typepad.com/lma/2012/05/apache-releases-openoffice-34-sugarcrm-looking-at-how-we-can-integrate-with-openoffice-httpowlyanyok.html > Typically > marketing is performed to increase sales, which earns money; AOO has > no sales, so what should the intended benefit from marketing be? > > How does Apache gain from a larger user base for AOO? More users -> > more traffic -> more demand for resources -> more demand for people > that maintain infrastructure and the money to pay for said > infrastructure. What is Apache's interest in promoting its offering > of AOO? > > How does AOO gain from a larger user base? More beta-testing, more > word-of-mouth exposure, more potential donors? More representative > clout for acquiring resources from Apache? > > I'm not saying -- I would never say -- that making AOO available to > the world is a bad or unnecessary thing. Given monopolistic business > practices and commercialization of software available, it's important > for there to be freely available alternatives to such things as an > office productivity suite. But if marketing is going to occur, it > would be good to know what said marketing is meant to accomplish, > other than promotion for promotion's sake. Promotion for promotion's > sake is the organizational manifestation of a viral idea. > > If there's to be a discussion on marketing, perhaps it should include > a manifesto that's more concrete and strategic than "Don't you think > this is great? Let's throw money at it until you do." > > Don -- ==== This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.