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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
Date Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:06:28 GMT
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Pedro Giffuni <> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rob Weir <>
> ...
>>>  As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a
>>>  substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all
>>>  the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our
>> mentors
>>>  were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an
>> answer
>>>  from them so far.
>> Hmmm.... I think there are several PMC members who are involved with
>> other areas of Apache:
>> 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press
>> and Communications.
>> 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning.
>> 3) Andrew,  Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many
>> things.  There may be others.
>> 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and
>> Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis.  This includes raising questions
>> and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what
>> they have learned as well.
>> 5) Dave is involved with POI.  Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of
>> the ODF Toolkit.  I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a
>> new BeanShell project proposal.
>> 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved
>> coordinating with ASF Treasurer.
>> So  I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave
>> is "active in more than just the OO project".
> The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included
> some of our mentors in the PMC.
> This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC:
> we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our
> mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when
> it was absolutely necessary.

Once we graduate this role will be played by the ASF Board.  They keep
a low profile and intervene in projects only when absolutely

> This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay
> us too much.
> Pedro.

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