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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL][WWW] style and content changes to home page
Date Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:56:36 GMT
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.mail@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 10/14/2012 05:17 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 10/14/2012 04:10 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 10/10/2012 09:08 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/10/2012 Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/test/ ...
>>>>>>> I am invoking *lazy consensus* on these changes and put this
in place
>>>>>>> sometime on Sat, PDT -- say 15:30, unless there are objections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nice indeed. I only see the "Valid XHTML" icon positioned a
bit
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> high maybe... Is it wanted?
>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/ooo-www-test.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, by the way, clicking on it reveals that there are a couple of
>>>>>> markup fixes to apply, but I don't know if those are due to the CMS
or
>>>>>> to specific markup of the page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Currenty it's 1 warning and 1 error. The warning comes because the
>>>>> validator
>>>>> uses a new HTML 5 checker which is still in Beta status. IMHO it's
>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The error is due to the "PUBLISHER" tag in the link reference (line 8).
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to the following webpage "PUBLISHER" is no valid HTML style.
>>>>> However
>>>>> I
>>>>> wouldn't change it as it seems to be used for Google index referencing:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you make it lower case "publisher" it should be OK.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.thoughtsfromgeeks.com/resources/2793-Rel-publisher-standard-HTML-markup-or.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've made the change but this doesn't make a difference, see:
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-links
>>>
>>
>> Look at the detailed error message here:
>>
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3a%2f%2fwww.openoffice.org%2ftest%2f
>>
>> It looks like the W3C Validator looks at more than the values in the
>> HTML specification.  They also look at the Microformats Wiki:
>>
>>
>> http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions
>>
>> "publisher" is listed there.
>>
>> Of course, that is what the error message says.  I have no idea if the
>> Validator actually works that way ;-)
>
>
> For me the Wiki says "do not use 'publisher', it's no longer valid HTML 4.x
> style":


Maybe you are not seeing what I am seeing.

The W3C Validator says:

"Syntax of link type valid for <link>:
    A whitespace-separated list of link types listed as allowed on
<link> in the HTML specification or listed as an allowed on <link> on
the Microformats wiki without duplicate keywords in the list. You can
register link types on the Microformats wiki yourself."

It links to this Microformats wiki page:

http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions

It says there:

" HTML5 link type extensions

The following values are registered as link type extensions per the
requirements in the WHATWG HTML spec and the requirements in the W3C
HTML5 spec. "

And in that table "publisher" is defined.


> rel value | summary | defining specification | why dropped
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> publisher | identifies a hypertext link to a publisher | HTML4dropped |
> unknown
>
> However, it could come back in HTML 5 as it's already proposed:
>
> Keyword | Effect on link | Effect on a, area | Brief description | Link to
> specification | Synonyms | Status
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> publisher | External Resource | Contextual External Resource | indicate[s]
> that the destination of that hyperlink is a metadata profile (e.g. a social
> / real name profile like Google+) for the current page or portion thereof. |
> rel-publisher | proposed
>
> And IMHO the validator recognizes this already.
>
> But when deleting it from our webpage I can imagine what would happen. ;-),
> so we should leave all as it is for the moment.
>

The question is whether we want to declare the page as HTML4, XHTML4
or HTML5.  Right now we don't declare anything specific.  So the
Validator assumes we're HTML5 and uses those rules.  If we want to be
validated as HTML 4.01 Transitional then we should declare that
doctype.

But honestly, the website is all over the place, with a mix of
markups.  I don't know if it really makes sense to have the W3C Valid
HTML on the home page, since we cannot claim this even for that single
page.  Maybe we should just remove it?


-Rob
> Marcus

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