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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Problems sign in consultants directory
Date Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:59:33 GMT
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>> On 10/14/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org> wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file
doing
>>>>>> something as simple as
>>>>>> <consultant>
>>>>>> <company>Your company</company>
>>>>>> <address>foo street at disneyland</address>
>>>>>> <website>http://www.yourcompany.com</website>
>>>>>> </consultant>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml
>>>>
>>>> My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
>>>> dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
>>>> non-technical users can't understand what happened.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
>>>>>> regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
>>>>>> think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew
it
>>>>>> on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patches are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Here is an XForm sample:
>>>> <xforms>
>>>> <model>
>>>> <instance>
>>>>   <person>
>>>>     <fname/>
>>>>     <lname/>
>>>>   </person>
>>>> </instance>
>>>> <submission id="form1"
>>>> action="submit.asp"
>>>> method="get"/>
>>>> </model>
>>>> <input ref="fname"><label>First Name</label></input>
>>>> <input ref="lname"><label>Last Name</label></input>
>>>> <submit submission="form1"><label>Submit</label></submit>
>>>> </xforms>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The form is the easy part.  The hard part is getting it integrated in
>>> a way that works with our current server environment.  As you've
>>> probably noticed we don't have mail-in forms anywhere on our website.
>>> Perhaps there are some security issues here?  Infra would know.  But
>>> there would be some work to either enable the server-side processing
>>> of this, or of generating the XML with instructions for the user to
>>> copy/paste it into an email to ooo-dev.
>>>
>>> Personally I don't think the expected volume of submissions justifies
>>> the time required to put further automation into play.  (My personal
>>> opinion).  As the instructions say, the submittor can just send
>>> equivalent information to the list and we can do the XML formatting
>>> for them.
>>
>> Ok the original proposal was that it will dump the data in a texbox
>> (Javascript can do this as opposed to the submit.asp). Just to
>> pre-format his entry, user  can then paste it on an email.
>>
>> And if no automation is necessary then I think it should be the first
>> thing said, like this:
>>
>> Please submit the information to our ooo-dev mailing list:
>>
>> - Company name
>> - Country code [1]
>> - Address
>> - URL
>> -Specialities: [2]
>>
>> 1 - see our ISO compliant country listing
>> 2 - see our list of specialties
>>
>> The rest of the information like XML, XSD, etc, should be put as
>> complementary information.
>>
>
> This is a good idea.  I'll try to simplify the instructions.
>

Here is the updated version:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

I split out the XML instructions from the main part, and added an
example of a non-XML submission.

-Rob


> -Rob
>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as
a
>>>>>> freeform XML.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list
>>>>
>>>> Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.
>>>>
>>>>> can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
>>>>> can be used as a categorization field.  The <description> field
is the
>>>>> freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/14/12, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joesch@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to
an entry in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> directory:
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I got the first reply:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>> Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list
as patches to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> file consultants.xml
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem in this individual case, because I offered my
personal
>>>>>>>> help,
>>>>>>>> but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even
having to
>>>>>>>> create an XML file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What can we do?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input
dialog,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few
days time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hints?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is covered in the instructions here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
>>>>>>> information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you
format
>>>>>>> it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it
is
>>>>>>> submitted in the proper form."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reference:
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime,
but
>>>>>>> it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback
we
>>>>>>> receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might
be
>>>>>>> better to wait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>> Jörg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org

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