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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
Date Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:52:26 GMT
Sent from my tablet
On Oct 14, 2012 9:18 PM, "Rob Weir" <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> >> <arielch@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:06PM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >>>> The fact that it never occurred to anyone participating in the
definition
> >>>> of the PMC membership is, in my opinion, a major failing of process
which
> >>>> was designed to identify people with sufficient merit.
> >>>
> >>> Now that you mentioned it, the process was more democratic, than
> >>> meritocratic: it didn't only fail to identify people with sufficient
> >>> merit, it also failed to measure merit (that's why I voted 0).
> >>>
> >>
> >> Isn't this easy to solve?  All we need is for one proposed PMC-member
> >> to say that they will, as one of their first actions as a TLP PMC
> >> member, propose the former mentors for PMC membership.
> >>
> >> Is anyone willing to state this?
> >
> > Yes. That has been my plan. I also would accept any additions to the
PMC that the Board chooses to make.
> >
>
> Great.  Personally I think it makes sense for the PMC to manage its
> own evolution.  This is a non-trivial part of The Apache Way.
>
> I realize that the ASF Board has the ability in extraordinary
> situations to intervene directly in a PMC's decision making process.
> "As a last resort" and "a blunt instrument" are the terms I recall
> being used earlier in reference to Board intervention.   It will be
> very interesting to see if they think this is a situation that
> warrants such action.

Please don't quote things out of context, it doesn't help. Changing a
resolution is not an "extraordinary situation", its part of the board's
responsibility to the foundation. The PMC I currently chair, for example,
had a couple of relevant and appropriate people added by the board before
creation.

That being said, I am not suggesting the board will take such an action, I
cannot predict the actions of a board of 9. I will observe, that a concern
has been raised and the reactions of this community to those concerns has
been, on the whole, appreciative and appropriate (and I don't mean only
Dave's statement above, in fact I dont think that is necessary).

Ross

>
> -Rob
>
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> --
> >>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> >>> La Plata, Argentina
> >

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