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From jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: AOO volunteers: essential skills and tasks
Date Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:06:42 GMT
You are quite right, I might not be the typical volunteer, and it is very
important to find a hook where you can start, I had the luck that juergen
and andrea gave me a starting point.

Your list is quite ok, just lets call it something neutral, like "help to
get started".

jan

On 20 October 2012 00:24, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:16 PM, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I think it is important to remember, that a volunteer is not signing up
> for
> > anything.
> >
> > A volunteer, in my view, is a person who wants to help with his/hers
> > skillset...so if we start saying you have to pass level x before
> continuing
> > we have already lost (At least I can relate that to myself)
> >
>
> That might be true for you.  But I can tell you from experience that
> we've had volunteer after volunteer who have posted a note to this
> list, said they wanted to help, stuck around for a few days, and then
> were never heard of again.  They never found a hook that they could
> attach themselves to.  They never figured out how to get started.  The
> couldn't find where to get started.  The lack of accomplishment and
> progress leads to frustration, and then they are gone.
>
> Maybe we can find some way of expressing this without offering too
> much offense ?
>
> -Rob
>
> > I have been in this business since 1975, and I have never made it through
> > any of all these "master classes" and other exams. I am just one of the
> > guys who get things done, like in the early days before tcp/ip.
> >
> > What I am trying to say is, let´s help people work with us....that´s what
> > it´s all about, if we can help people to easier help us, then we have a
> > win-win situation.
> >
> > And in respect of introducing myself, which I forgot please read this
> > resume:
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JanIversen
> >
> > jan.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19 October 2012 23:08, Rob Weir <rabastus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/19/2012 01:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>> I am thinking about what new project volunteers need to get started.
> >> >>> Obviously there are area-specific things.  For example, developers
> >> >>> need to know how to download and build.  Translation volunteers
need
> >> >>> to understand Pootle, etc.  But there are also some basic things
> that
> >> >>> all volunteers should probably do.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Although we have all of this information (or at least most of it)
on
> >> >>> the website or wikis or mailing list archives, it is scattered
all
> >> >>> over the place.  I think it would be good if we could collect this
> >> >>> information (or at least links to this information) into one place
> and
> >> >>> put a linear order behind it, a step of specific steps we want
new
> >> >>> volunteers to take.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now, I can hear the objections already -- you can't tell volunteers
> >> >>> what to do.  That is why they are volunteers.  You can't regiment
> >> >>> them, etc.  This is true.  But at the scale we need to operate
at --
> >> >>> I'm aiming to attract dozens of new volunteers on the project by
the
> >> >>> end of the year -- we need some structure.  So what can we do to
> make
> >> >>> their first 2 weeks in the project easier for them, and easier
for
> us?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> One idea:  Think of the new volunteer startup tasks in terms of
> >> >>> "stages" or "levels", a defined set of reading and other activities
> >> >>> that leads them to acquire basic skills in our community.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> For example:
> >> >>
> >> >> To make it more concrete, this is what "Level 1" might look like:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/level-1.html
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >
> >> > This is very good! I esp like the last part about providing a way for
> >> volunteers to "sign up" if you will. This will be a nice touch.
> >> >
> >> > I'm also wondering if there's some way to tie this in to our current
> >> "Help Wanted" page:
> >> >
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
> >>
> >> Yes, It is worth looking at the new volunteer view of things, from end
> to
> >> end.
> >>
> >> My current thinking is this: as we scale the number of volunteers
> >> we'll soon want a better way to track items like these. Maybe putting
> >> them into BZ would work?  Introduce a new field to record "difficulty"
> >> in BZ and filters to list unassigned easy issues?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Maybe someone has some ideas?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> Level 1 tasks:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1) Read the following web pages on the ASF, roles at Apache and
the
> >> Apache Way
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2) Sign up for the following accounts that every volunteer should
> >> >>> have:  ooo-announce, ooo-dev, ooo-users,  MWiki, CWiki, BZ, Forums
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 3) Read this helpful document on hints for managing your inbox
with
> >> >>> rules and folders
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 4) Read this code of conduct page on list etiquette
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 5) Send a note to ooo-dev list and introduce yourself
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 6) Edit this wiki page  containing project volunteers. Add your
name
> >> >>> and indicate that you have completed Level 1.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Level 2 tasks:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1) Using the Apache CMS in anonymous mode
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2) Readings on decision making at Apache
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 3) Readings on project life cycle and roles within the AOO project
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 4) Introduction to the various functional groups within the project:
> >> >>> development, qa, marketing, UX, documentation, support,
> localization,
> >> >>> etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 5) Pick one or more functional groups that you want to help with.
> >> >>> Edit the volunteer wiki and list them.  Also indicate that you
have
> >> >>> now completed Level 2.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Get the idea?  After Level 2 this then could branch off into
> >> >>> area-specific lists of start up tasks:  how to download and build.
> >> >>> How to submit patches.  How to update a translation.  How to define
> a
> >> >>> new test case.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is any one interested in helping with this?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Rob
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> >> > dealt with a cat."
> >> >                               -- Robert Heinlein
> >>
>

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