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From Roberto Galoppini <rgalopp...@geek.net>
Subject Re: Estimating contributors by looking at wiki accounts?
Date Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:47:53 GMT


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On 19/ott/2012, at 18:37, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>> +1 all around.  This sounds like it would be more interesting on the
>> ooo-marketing@ list, since it's more about telling the story of "who helps
>> make AOO".  With a project with as many different kinds of end users as AOO
>> has, accurate stats like these would be good, if you want to go generate
>> them.  Plus, I like numbers. 8-)
>> 
>> The most useful thing about generating them would be showing exactly how
>> they're generated, with code (if any), and being very clear - as you suggest
>> - at what the specific numbers mean.  Openness in the way you generate the
>> details is key to ensuring people know exactly what you're measuring.
> 
> I think Mwiki has REST API that gives XML out.  But I'd need to check.
> 
>> - Shane
>> 
>> P.S. Is there already a chart of auto-upgrade "downloads" anywhere? Just
>> curious.
> 
> Not yet.  But it is something I've been trying to figure out.
> SourceForge numbers don't report it, but if you correlate the SF
> numbers with the website numbers from Google Analytics (we send users
> to a special update URL) I think we can estimate it.  But getting
> charts means I need to figure how to automate it on both the GA and SF
> sides.

I'll be happy to help with that, early next week I ll have a look at that.

Roberto

> 
> But note that AOO 3.4.0 shipped with auto-update checking *disabled*
> by default (Doh!).  So the AOO 3.4.0 --> 3.4.1 auto update numbers
> there are going to be modest compared to the numbers from OOo 3.3.0
> users upgrading to AOO 3.4.x.  Of course, many users will hear about
> the new releases via other means.  We see that in the strong AOO 3.4.1
> download numbers.
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> 
>> On 10/19/2012 11:38 AM, jan iversen wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think your idea of filtering out account that actually contributed is a
>>> wise thing, especially because our product has many end-users that want to
>>> be informed but do not contribute.
>>> 
>>> As a developer I do not care, but thinking of some of the ongoing
>>> discussions in other forums (like: nearly nobody contributes to AOO
>>> anymore
>>> because Apache rules makes it far to difficult and restrictive), makes it
>>> worth while to publish a figure on our web, especially a figure saying
>>> e.g.
>>> "during the last year we had xxx active contributors and xx active
>>> committers".
>>> 
>>> jan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19 October 2012 17:28, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I recently saw another open source project claim that they had over
>>>> 3000 contributors.  They derived this estimate by looking at the
>>>> number of user accounts they had in their wiki.
>>>> 
>>>> That is quite clever, I thought.  Since we use the same wiki software,
>>>> I thought I'd check this metric for us.  Our wiki says we have over
>>>> 58,000 user accounts.
>>>> 
>>>> I know we're doing well, but would it really make sense to claim that
>>>> we have over 58,000 contributors?  I don't think so.
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose we could look only at accounts where the person has actually
>>>> contributed edits, or even recent edits. (MediaWiki is a well-known
>>>> target of registration spam).  Although the other project did not seem
>>>> to filter out inactive or unused accounts, I think the metrics are
>>>> meaningless unless we do that.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think?  Or do we even care?
>>>> 
>>>> -Rob
>> 

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