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From imacat <>
Subject Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community
Date Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:57:07 GMT
On 2012/10/31 01:59, Rob Weir said:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, imacat <> wrote:
>> On 2012/10/29 23:26, Rob Weir said:
>>> Then there is the secondary question of network effect and value of
>>> the network.  The more AOO users there are they greater the value of
>>> skills in AOO extension development, of AOO training and certification
>>> skills, and of migration and deployment services, etc.  These business
>>> interests all become more valuable the more users we have.  Although
>>> nothing requires that business built on AOO contribute back to the
>>> project, in practice they often will, since helping to sustain the
>>> project helps their business as well.  So aside from the "volunteer
>>> pyramid" we set up a second virtuous cycle with business interests.
>>     Unfortunately, in the few cases I've seen, this is just negative.
>> In practice many of these business just don't help to sustain the
>> project.  I suppose many of them do help to sustain the project.  Why
>> some do and some don't is another interesting issue to be investigated
>> further.
> Been there; done that.   You didn't see IBM very active in
> years ago, did you?  There is a huge difference between
> a corporate-lead and a community-led open source one.  A community-led
> one is much more welcoming to other large companies..  If a company
> wanted to get involved with before then there was all
> the messiness with dealing with Sun and wondering about whether Sun's
> priorities would dominate over everything else.  Look at the constant
> battles Novell and Sun had, for example.  This changes with the move
> to Apache.  So I'd recommend that we point this out to companies,
> small and large.  We shouldn't let past failures in this area
> discourage us too much.  It is a new situation now.

    Yap.  I mean, your business theory is great.  But there are some
holes in it on the reality side that we need to overcome.  It may work
for IBM, but not all the other business.  Maybe some more mails?  Some
more talks with people?  Some other strategy?

> Now sure, some companies will just be interested in training or
> whatever, and have zero interest in participating.  However, those
> companies will be at a disadvantage compared to competing companies
> that are participate. There is a level of information, skill,
> expertise, even influence that comes from participating on the inside,
> rather than watching from the outside.
>>     I occasionally hear some local business doing OpenOffice support,
>> but I cannot reach them.  They just don't respond to us, and have no
>> interests to connect to the open source community.  (Afraid of us
>> stealing their business?  Afraid of us sharing their profit?  Just
>> afraid of communication trouble?  Being conservative for Asian culture?)
> A trainer can easily switch to training users for Google Docs, or
> Microsoft Office, if they need to.  So they are not as dependent on
> the success of our project.

    I do not know if they are trainers or else.  Someone refer me to
them that they are doing OpenOffice jobs (technical?  training?
application development?  anything else?  I don't know.) and they may
need my help.  They never respond.

    That said, there are some holes in your theory.

Best regards,
imacat ^_*' <>

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