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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Graduation timeline: A reminder for project members, press and list observers
Date Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:15:34 GMT

On Oct 13, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Pedro Giffuni <> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rob Weir <>
>> ...
>>>> As a minor update, the only observation we received so far (besides a
>>>> substantial number of +1 votes, no abstentions or -1) was that almost all
>>>> the proposed PMC members do not belong to other Apache projects; our
>>> mentors
>>>> were asked if they perceived this as a problem, and we didn't get an
>>> answer
>>>> from them so far.
>>> Hmmm.... I think there are several PMC members who are involved with
>>> other areas of Apache:
>>> 1) Don is involved with ConCom, as well as working with Sally on Press
>>> and Communications.
>>> 2) Others, like Oliver, Louis, etc., have been active in the ApacheCon planning.
>>> 3) Andrew,  Juergen and Raphael have worked closely with Infra on many
>>> things.  There may be others.
>>> 4) In general I think we're comfortable working with Trademarks and
>>> Legal Affairs on an ongoing basis.  This includes raising questions
>>> and getting advice, but some, like Dennis, are active sharing what
>>> they have learned as well.
>>> 5) Dave is involved with POI.  Don and Juergen are also on the PMC of
>>> the ODF Toolkit.  I think Pedro said he was getting involved with a
>>> new BeanShell project proposal.
>>> 6) There was the work moving the SPI funds to Apache that involved
>>> coordinating with ASF Treasurer.
>>> So  I do not know whether it is accurate to say that no one but Dave
>>> is "active in more than just the OO project".
>> The above is all mostly unrelated. I do think we should have included
>> some of our mentors in the PMC.
>> This was a failure in the method we chose to determine the initial PMC:
>> we chose based on project visibility/popularity and by their function our
>> mentors have tried to remain with a low profile and intervene only when
>> it was absolutely necessary.
> Once we graduate this role will be played by the ASF Board.  They keep
> a low profile and intervene in projects only when absolutely
> necessary.

One continual intervention is that board will ACK (or NAK) each PMC membership change.

They will need to approve at the next board meeting any change in the PMC Chair - the PMC
Chair is an Officer of The ASF.

The Board will expect Monthly reports for the first three months and quarterly reports subsequently.

Any Apache Member may always review and participate on any private mailing list.


>> This is something relatively easy to fix though, let's hope it doesn't delay
>> us too much.
>> Pedro.

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