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From Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>
Subject Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
Date Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:29:36 GMT
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:53:10 -0400
Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
> >>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away, but
> >>>> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
> >>>> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it just
> >>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >>>> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >>>> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
> >>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>>>
> >>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>>>
> >>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well
as
> >>>> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >>>> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >>>> to rate and comment on it.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
> >>>  The latest stats are:
> >>>
> >>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >>>
> >>
> >> Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> >>
> >
> >
> > And two days later, with no additional promotion other than placing a
> > link on the home page, and we're at:
> >
> > ===> 807 people have submitted 652 ideas and cast 9,358 votes
> >
> > So we're still getting a good amount of visits and even new ideas.  I
> > encourage everyone to review the new ideas as they come in.  Ideas are
> > important, of course, but the collective rating of ideas is the key.
> >
> > As planned, I'll start to wrap this up on October 1st, next Tuesday.
> >
> 
> Final count was:
> 
> 1,095 people have submitted 885 ideas and cast 13,019 votes
> 
> So still coming in strong, though I detect a good amount of repetition
> at this point.
> 
> I've exported a CSV snapshot of the results and checked it into SVN here:
> 
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/pmc/brainstorming/google-moderator.csv
> 
> It imports into OpenOffice well, if you configure to use commas as the
> delimiter in the import dialog.  It has all of the ideas submitted, in
> all of the categories, as well as per-idea positive and negative vote
> totals.
> 
> I don't see any way to pause the Google Moderator instance or tell it
> to stop allowing new submissions.  I put a comment on the homepage of
> our "series" saying we were done and thanking those who had taken the
> time to submit or rate ideas:
> 
> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> 
> We do have the option of deleting the series altogether.  Otherwise
> we're going to continue getting new ideas.  But is that a bad thing?
> It is if no one from the project is monitoring it.  But "continuous
> brainstorming" might have some value if we stay engaged with it.  On
> the other hand, if it becomes a routine thing then it will confuse
> some users between when they use Bugzilla (which also has a voting
> mechanism) versus Google Moderator.  IMHO we should delete our
> Moderator page, but set up a new one in the future if we want to do a
> period of concentrated brain storming.  Maybe a more focused topic
> next time.
> 
> So unless anyone really wants to see us keep that instance up, I'll
> delete it next Monday.  (And remember we have a snapshot of all the
> data in a CSV file in Subversion).

I agree.  Take the snapshot and close the Moderator page; if the submissions prove useful,
we can start it again for a later revision of AOO when some of the current suggestions are
in place. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> > -Rob
> >
> >> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
> >> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
> >> should give this even more visibility.
> >>
> >> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> >> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> >> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> >>
> >> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> >>
> >> At that point we can:
> >>
> >> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> >> accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
> >> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> >>
> >> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> >> archive that someplace.
> >>
> >> 3) Discuss the results received
> >>
> >> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> >> results received?
> >>
> >> Any other ideas?
> >>
> >> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> >> finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> >> volunteer.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> >>> taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> >>> the ones that came in early.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> >>> and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
> >>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
> 


-- 
Rory O'Farrell <ofarrwrk@iol.ie>

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