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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:09:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Louis Su=C3=A1rez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com=
> wrote:
>
> On 12-09-19, at 10:05 , J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
>> On 9/19/12 3:56 PM, Louis Su=C3=A1rez-Potts wrote:
>>> I would agree with Peter's list but would ask that Ian Lynch be conside=
red. Here's why: Whom do we have speaking on behalf of education and ecosys=
tem development? As I'm not on this list=E2=80=94and I'm not suggesting I o=
ught to be=E2=80=94I think that someone like Ian, who's work is so involved=
 with OO and has been=E2=80=94would provide good insight into how what is d=
one at Apache OO affects the ecosystem as a whole.
>>>
>>
>> I would first suggest that you and Ian read how the proposal of Andrew
>> was intended to work ;-)
>
> I read it. I find some problems with it. Namely, momentum in threads tend=
s to prevail over nuance and history. There is opacity here as to how these=
 names were suggested, what they mean, how they are supposed to change over=
 time. Andrew's long proposal was just that, a proposal. A better method I'=
d suggest, if we want to put names up, is to use a wiki, or some other mech=
anism that foregrounds history, motive, idea.
>

How would you deal with "opacity here as to how these names were
suggested"?  These are individual's stated preferences.  Nothing more,
nothing less.  Unless we require that everyone give a complete,
detailed justification for every name they pick, what can we do?  A
wiki certainly doesn't change that.

>
>>
>> And I am not sure or better don't understand the relation of your
>> comment to the membership in the PMC. It is not directly related to each
>> other and can be of course done independently.
>
> I'll be clearer in future. But for now, I've misgivings over this process=
 and do not like it nor do I believe as such it serves the AOO community we=
ll. I think one that reflects the points I mentioned above is better, but a=
m always open to learn of yet better ways.
>
> Louis
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>> Louis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12-09-19, at 03:40 , Peter Junge <peter.junge@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's my list of 10:
>>>> Andrew Rist (arist)
>>>> Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>>>> Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison)
>>>> J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt (jsc)
>>>> Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>>>> Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>>> Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>>>> RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>>>> Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>>>> Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>>>>
>>>> (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more)
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Fischer (af)
>>>>> Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>>>>> Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>>>>> J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt (jsc)
>>>>> Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>>>>> Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>>>>> Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>>>> Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>>>>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>>>>> RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>