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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:55:29 +0800
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
From: Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>
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KG01 - See comments inline

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> > Should we have a webdev list?
>
> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>
> >
> > In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
> > am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
> > redesign start growing.
>
> Generally everything should be here.
>
KG01 - agreed

>
> >
> > Some suggestions on the design of the site:
> > - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
> > software with office productivity.
>
>
KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
enhancements.


> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>
> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
> footers.
>
> > - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> > different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
> > help our users browse through the site.
>
> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
> dimensions of the browser.
>
> > - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
> > theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
> > templates/extension/wiki site.
>
> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
> that SF can follow as well.
>
> > - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
> > (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>
> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
> consider
> >>>> a
> >>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
> >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
> >>>> for this momentous occasion.
> >>>>
> >>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
> >>> updated
> >>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
> >>> horizontal
> >>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
> >>> mockups of
> >>>> ideas.
> >>>>
>

KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.


> >>>
> >>> Good topic to bring up.
> >>>
> >>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
> >>> www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
> >>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
> >>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
> >>> subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.
> >>>
> >>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> >>> disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
> >>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>

KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.


> >>>
> >>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> >>> references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
> >>> replace operation.
> >>>
> >>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
> >>> time to improve the website ;-)
>

KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
re-branding.

KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?

>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>> website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>

KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.


>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>
>>
>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
graduate,
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>
>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>> --
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>                    -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>                    -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org

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