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Hi Dennis,

Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others =
will review the wiki at =
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it =
is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday.

Regards,
Dave

On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> Reviewing the June report I have this to offer for September:
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> A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
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> This says there were 13 new Committers/PPMC members and 2 =
committer/PPMC member resignations.  I don't track resignations, and I =
think it is best to show the baseline (or resulting levels) of those =
changes.  I am assuming that my June 5, 2012 Status was the basis for =
the numbers in the June 8 report to the IPMC and Board.
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> Comparing that with the report from yesterday, I would say that=20
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> "There are now 110 committers with 72 of those on the PPMC.  Relative =
to the last report, that is an increase of 15 committers and a decrease =
of 3 committers on the PPMC (following an audit to reconcile subscribers =
to the ooo-private mailing list)."
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> Now the numbers are grounded and the baseline here makes the =
derivation of details in a further report easy to substantiate.
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> B. A DIFFERENT OVERSIGHT
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> It is stunning that of all the matters that it might be thought the =
Board might need to be aware of (whether or not called to act on) the =
only one I've ever noticed is the June statement about leaks from the =
ooo-private list to "outside agencies". =20
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> Along with that June issue, there is our promise to provide an update =
in the next report (this one in September 2012) or at least indicate =
that an update was provided separately.  The current draft simply =
removes any evidence that this issue was raised.  I suggest that there =
needs to be accountability and closure on our part.
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> I paid little attention to that issue.  I would suggest that the =
single leak was identified and the matter has been closed to the =
satisfaction of the PPMC.
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> - Dennis
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 18:16
> To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator=20
> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
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> On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
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>> Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I =
have no idea what the deltas are.  Where is the previous report to the =
IPMC?
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> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012
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> It was written June 8.
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> Regards,
> Dave
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>>=20
>> - Dennis
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>> PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago =
[;<).
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20
>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: dennis.hamilton@acm.org Hamilton
>> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
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>>=20
>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
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>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
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>>>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher =
<dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be =
ready
>>>>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June...
>>>>>=20
>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5
>>>>>=20
>>>>> so, this will need to be ready like  Sept 6th! WOW! That is very =
soon.
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>>>> The report page is ready at =
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012
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>>>> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5.
>>>>=20
>>>> I copied the June report and made some changes to =
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept
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>>>> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks for getting this started, Dave.
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>>> I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, =
we could always use more input...
>>=20
>> I made a additional changes as well. I think that the report is =
overly long and we can lose the detail at the bottom.
>>=20
>> Dennis - would you confirm the PPMC change statement.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
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>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our =
graduation
>>>>>> plans.
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>>>>>=20
>>>>> absolutely!
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> The report will go here: =
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> With my IPMC hat,
>>>>>> Dave
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>>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thank you for the rather critical correction!
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report =
to
>>>>>> incubator, and  I think most of us agreed that worked pretty =
well. But, I
>>>>>> thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than =
e-mail
>>>>>> and editing my one person.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've =
put a
>>>>>> new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- =
the June
>>>>>> report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the =
June report
>>>>>> as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report =
before its due
>>>>>> date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please =
contribute as
>>>>>> you see fit.
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>>>>>>> =
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> =
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>>>>>>> MzK
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>>>>>>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an =
invasion,
>>>>>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
>>>>>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
>>>>>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
>>>>>>> analyze a new problem,  pitch manure, program a computer, cook a
>>>>>>> tasty  meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
>>>>>>> Specialization is for insects."
>>>>>>>                      -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --
>>>>> =
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>=20
>>>>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an =
invasion,
>>>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
>>>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
>>>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
>>>>> analyze a new problem,  pitch manure, program a computer, cook a
>>>>> tasty  meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
>>>>> Specialization is for insects."
>>>>>                       -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> =
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>=20
>>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
>>> analyze a new problem,  pitch manure, program a computer, cook a
>>> tasty  meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
>>> Specialization is for insects."
>>>                       -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
>>=20
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