From ooo-dev-return-25730-apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Sep 7 05:42:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5C4ED68B for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2012 05:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 86491 invoked by uid 500); 7 Sep 2012 05:42:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 86191 invoked by uid 500); 7 Sep 2012 05:42:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 86156 invoked by uid 99); 7 Sep 2012 05:42:50 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:42:49 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.30.16 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.16] (HELO qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.16) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:42:42 +0000 Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w4VQ1j0071eYJf8A15iNYh; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:42:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([67.180.51.144]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w5iL1j00V36gVt7015iMmB; Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:42:21 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member? From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: <-512532003528581480@unknownmsgid> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 22:42:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63370B36-3645-4D93-A782-F7DDF722C8FB@comcast.net> References: <50470FFE.6010404@t-online.de> <25863408.22133.1346894222466.JavaMail.mobile-sync@icgu11> <-7049611619347008040@unknownmsgid> <505BC6BC-17ED-4A5F-97EA-4BF9F5996F75@comcast.net> <-512532003528581480@unknownmsgid> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sep 6, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Sep 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Rob Weir = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Think of an orchestra. We don't expect every player to play every >>>> instrument. But we do expect a musicianship, the ability to play = your >>>> part well and in a way that fits with the others, knowing that you >>>> might have a solo sometimes, but at other times you might be = playing >>>> harmony or even have a rest. >>>=20 >>> +1. >>>=20 >>> I will go further and state that I don't believe that this project = is >>> quite there yet. >>=20 >> While the playing together metaphor is great, the orchestra metaphor = breaks because there is no conductor and no first chairs. >>=20 >=20 > There are orchestras without conductors as well, e.g. the Orpheus > Ensemble. And I don't think sectional leaders are a problem, so long > as it is not exclusionary, e.g., your initial work on ooo-site > demonstrates leadership (taking the lead) of a kind that requires > neither votes nor titles. In other words, where coordination is > required in a given task beyond a given level of complexity it is > natural that leadership emerges. Thanks, and nothing would make me happier than a contributor appearing = who wanted to take the lead. I would gladly show them all I know just = like Joe did for me. I am very glad that there are many committers working on the website and = that it has become one way that we are growing the community. >=20 >=20 >> Perhaps a better musical metaphor to aspire to might be Robert = Fripp's The League of Crafty Guitarists [1] I hadn't thought of them for = awhile, but I saw them live about 25 years ago. A big circle of = guitarists sharing and passing on riffs. Here the emphasis is on observation and passing the lead. The guitar = players are in a circle and are watching each other. Regards, Dave >>=20 >> Regards, >> Dave >>=20 >> [1] http://www.thelcg.net/music.html