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From Guy Waterval <waterval....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
Date Thu, 06 Sep 2012 20:08:43 GMT
Hi Juergen,



2012/9/6 Juergen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>

> Am Donnerstag, 6. September 2012 um 05:30 schrieb Rob Weir:
> > On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:20 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/5/12 11:32 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> > > > On 5 September 2012 09:40, Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > some time ago we expressed, that we think the project is ready to
> graduate.
> > > > > In the process of graduating, a proposal for a Project Management
> Committee
> > > > > (PMC) will be brought to the Apache Board. Although discussion
> about
> > > > > individual persons will not be done public, it is important to get
> a shared
> > > > > conviction about the criteria for our PMC members.
> > > > >
> > > > > You find information about project management and the role of the
> PMC in
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
> > > > >
> > > > > With permission of Jürgen Schmidt I will show his items:
> > > > > "For me a good PMC member is somebody
> > > > > - who is active and visible in the project. It's important that
> others
> > > > > can see or better are able to recognize valuable contributions.
> > > > > - who driving the project forward by helping others to join the
> project,
> > > > > or helping other in general to find their way in the project
> > > > > - who help to grow the eco-system and the popularity of the
> project, eg.
> > > > > increasing the user base by promoting the project actively on
> > > > > conferences, via new medias, etc.
> > > > > - who take responsibility for tasks that have to be done and that
> help
> > > > > to drive the project forward or that help to simply run it.
> > > > > - who is able to transport and communicate the vision of the
> project
> > > > > - who is able to prevent misbehaviour and misconduct on our main
> > > > > communication tool the mailing lists but also on our extended
> > > > > communication tools like social media
> > > > > - who is able to bring in new ideas in the project that opens even
> more
> > > > > opportunities to grow and to evolve
> > > > > - ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > And here my thoughts:
> > > > > A PMC member...
> > > > > ...is a person all can trust in.
> > > > > ...preserves overview about several areas.
> > > > > ...knows, who is expert in a special area, and encourage people
> from
> > > > > different areas to work together on a topic.
> > > > > ...is willing to guide a newcomer.
> > > > > ...can identify opposite directions in the community before things
> > > > > escalate.
> > > > > ...knows about formal requirements and about the Apache structure.
> > > > > ...has a vision about the direction of the project, but on the
> other
> > > > > hand accepts reasoned different development without being offended
> (?
> > > > > German "eingeschnappt")
> > > > > ...sets a good example in treating others and working for the
> project.
> > > > > ...is reliable.
> > > > > ...is willing to assume responsibility.
> > > > > ...puts his heart and passion into the project.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you miss aspects? Do you think a special item is irrelevant?
> What is
> > > > > essential?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is aware of the limitations of mailing lists in communication and
> > > > actively strives to communicate to engender positive feelings in the
> > > > audience.
> > > >
> > > > Has thought carefully about the role of a PMC member and actively
> > > > communicated an intention to be active in that role rather than just
> a
> > > > name on a list or solely involved in committing code.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > we had already some longer discussions on this topic on our private
> list
> > > which was the result or part of an ongoing process to define a final
> PMC
> > > that we want to suggest to the IPMC and board as it is required for
> > > graduation.
> > >
> > > Regina has provided a link that give you further information about this
> > > topic and what it means to be a PMC.
> > >
> > > I would like to ask everybody (and especially the PPMC members) here to
> > > think about this as individual and what it means for themselves or if
> > > they would be interested in being a PMC.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I know someone who had the image of an ideal husband, a long list of
> > essential qualities, but unfortunately these qualities never came
> > together in one person outside of cheap romance novels. Unwed, bitter
> > and old was the end results.
> >
> > So I tend to think of this from a team perspective: what capabilities
> > do we need in a PMC? We're not limited by monogyny laws. We don't
> > need to find the ultimate uebermensch PMC member. We need a strong
> > team. And since most team members will be part time volunteers this
> > suggests they might do one nor two things well but gave little
> > interest in other areas. We should accept that.
> >
> >
>
> I totally agree and that is fine from my pov. The idea is more that people
> start thinking about the PMC and what it does mean to be a member of it.
> For example if a PPMC thinks that it is happy with the thinks it is doing
> and don't want to be in the final PMC for some reason this member can give
> us as signal.
>

You are right. It's important, I think, to avoid this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
A lot of companies apply this principle, without knowing it.

A+
-- 
gw


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