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From RGB ES <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List
Date Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:06:03 GMT
2012/9/19 Dennis E. Hamilton <>

> +1
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with a list process for individuals
> nominating 10 persons for the PPMC.  Furthermore, let's have just one
> procedure in place at a time.  When this one is concluded, there will be
> occasion to reflect and determine the next steps.
> The tabulation will be very interesting, since we'll know the frequency
> with which various individuals are nominated by others.  That's an useful
> straw poll.  What is made of it is something that will happen in full view
> and without haste.
> Furthermore, there is no need to discuss or justify the nominations being
> made.  (There is not much value in nominating individuals who have declined
> to be on the PMC, but there's no harm either.)
> I recommend that the process continue.  My only objection is that having
> secret nominations is not compatible with the Apache Way and the oversight
> responsibilities of the ASF.  There are private ballots, but not secret
> ones as far as I know.
> I recommend that no one accept nominations privately and that those who
> have already sent theirs via any back-channel use ooo-private if they do
> not want their selection of names made public.

+1 (Even if I see no point on hiding the vote).


> (Since there are no -1 votes, and everybody is constrained to 10, I have
> trouble seeing the problem.)  There is no reason to identify those who have
> nominated anyone on the consolidated report.
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kay Schenk []
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:26
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List
> On 09/19/2012 10:38 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > In this way, a wiki can provide more than a mail list post.
> >
> > Louis
> >
> Yes, a wiki can provide more than a mail post, but I think this exercise
> is valid, and provides a convenient way for *anyone* on this list to
> express an "opinion" without explicitly stating why. I actually think
> this is a point in the mailing lists favor. This approach is simple and
> based on impressions of individuals involved with this project. I don't
> see much wrong with that. Picking "10" has been difficult for all of us,
> but I did understand that "10" was not a magic number for the final PMC.
> I agree with Juergen that we should complete this circle. I've found it
> pretty interesting so far.
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
> "We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly
>   being filled.  The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and
>   let the beautiful stuff out."
>                           -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"

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