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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: What is a good Project Management Committee?
Date Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:26:20 GMT
On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Andrew Rist <> wrote:

> I'm not particularly satisfied with current PMC selection process. I think the first
pass was actually fairly reasonable, and fairly quickly resulted in a list that contains the
people who are serious about the project.  Unfortunately, we haven't been able to find consensus
on the next step.  I'd like to propose a different way to look at this which may lead us to
a better way to move forward.   I think we can avoid the need to organize the next step around
'-1' (i.e. speaking out against potential PMC members - discussions around who to leave off),
and instead create an affirmative process where we identify who we want on.
> What is a good Project Management Committee?
> Here's my start (please expand on this):
> * Representative of the diversity of tasks in the community
>   (developers, web/wiki/forum, translators, testers, UX, release,
>   marketing, press, ecosystem, infrastructure)
> * Representative of the geographical diversity in the community
> * Made up of the most involved members of the community
> * Able and Competent to perform required ASF functions (overseeing
>   releases and developing the community)
> * Represents the community in the best possible light
> While on one hand I understand why so many of us want to be on the PMC, a large PMC is
not necessarily in the best interest of the project.   The PMC should not be making decisions
about the direction of the project and on who gets to do what - the PMC should be mostly involved
with voting in new committers and approving releases.  The direction of the project should
be determined on ooo-dev, and by the people who are active in the parts of the community listed
> My Proposal for the next step in the PMC selection process:
> I suggest that each of us provide up to 10 names for the PMC.  no spreadsheet - no voting
- no '-1s' for now.  Just an affirmative list of the 10 people you think should be doing the
work of the PMC.  (the list of names we have produced so far is a great place to start for
your list, but it is not exclusive) Anyone can play! PPMC members, committers, the community.
  Next we use this to produce a list of the group getting the most votes. (using PPMC and
committer lists as more binding)   We can use this to produce the next pass at the proposed
PMC roster, hopefully a PMC of around 20 members.

Interesting idea. Another way of keeping it small and focused would be
to rotate all committers in over time, say 20 at a time for 6 months
at a time. Everyone gets a turn, no one left out and power does not

> Andrew

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