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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating),
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From: Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:59:18 -0700
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On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

> On 16.08.2012 00:46, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>=20
>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, drew jensen wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Wed, 2012-08-15 at 14:45 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Is there a reason that the README in the source release is still =
pointing at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions for =
Mac Builds?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Minimally this then points to =
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild this doesn't seem exactly like =
what was used for 3.4.0?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Would someone check the Build instructions and then update to be =
very clear what is current.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I am proceeding with my tests as if the prerequisites have not =
changed and that I have them from my AOO 3.4 tests build.
>>>>=20
>>>> I am stuck and I am stopping. I am very unhappy with the =
instructions on the WIki page. I needed help with 3.4 and now I need =
help with 3.4.1.
>>>>=20
>>>> Please show me the simplest way to build on a Mac from Source and =
show me on the Wiki based on =
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions
>>>>=20
>>>> BTW - Remember that SOURCE is the ONLY OFFICIAL RELEASE.
>>>=20
>>> - but I thought that as part of accepting this project ASF was =
saying
>>> they were open to change.. am I just wrong on that - cause folks =
keep
>>> saying this as if it is a FACT and I thought it was going to be up =
to
>>> this project to decide whether binaries are official, or not.
>>>=20
>>> That is what I thought when I cast my non-binding vote to create =
this
>>> project at ASF - specifically that it was recognized as needing this
>>> type of differentiation from earlier projects.
>>=20
>> Binary artifacts are fine, they are just considered to be "unofficial =
convenience artifacts".
>>=20
>> The ASF's mission is software for the public good. That means that =
users must be able to see the source and be able to build it for =
themselves. They must be able to inspect the source to see that it is =
unhindered.
>>=20
>> So, the IP must be clear and transparently so. This is what an IPMC =
and ASF Member must measure their vote on.
>>=20
>> Sorry, I'm a bit cranky right now. My cpan disappeared while trying =
to assure that I had the now required LWP::UserAgent. No one tested the =
new download_external_dependencies.pl properly.
>=20
> 1. LWP::UserAgent has been a prerequisite for years.  But I think I =
remember that it was temporarily removed from one of the older platform =
specific build instruction pages.
>=20
> 2. Can you be more specific regarding your problems with =
download_external_dependencies.pl so that I can fix it?  It exists under =
this name for more than two months and since it is used in every setup =
of a build I would say that it is fairly well tested.  But that does not =
mean that it is error free.
>=20
> 3. Please have a look at =
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO.  Maybe =
that page is more helpful.  If not, please help me to improve it.

That page *IS* much better!

To handle my case it would be good to suggest that a user upgrade their =
Perl dependencies. That path !=3D install.

As long as the READMEs links get a user to eventually get to this MWiki =
page that would be great!

A link to a separate page about checking NOTICE, LICENSE and running Rat =
might be helpful, but that is another thread.

Best Regards,
Dave

>=20
> -Andre
>=20
>>=20
>> My real message is that the project needs to clean up the build =
instructions so that special knowledge and/or help is not a =
prerequisite.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> //drew
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> (I really don't want to -1 this release.)
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> From: J=FCrgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: August 15, 2012 7:01:47 AM PDT
>>>>>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" <ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 =
(incubating), RC2
>>>>>> Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> delivered-to: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> please vote on this email to ooo-dev only, thanks.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 8/15/12 2:02 PM, J=FCrgen Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as =
Apache
>>>>>>> OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). This will be our first bug fix =
release
>>>>>>> after the AOO 3.4 from May 8th. A further milestone to show that =
we
>>>>>>> deliver good and stable software with focus on quality. It will =
again
>>>>>>> help to continue the success of OpenOffice.org and will gain =
confidence
>>>>>>> in OpenOffice.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This time I did not prepare a separate page to highlighting the =
release
>>>>>>> candidate. We had developer snapshot since several weeks and the =
latest
>>>>>>> one based on revision 1372282 is intended to become released if =
the
>>>>>>> voting succeeds. That means and to make it clear you vote here =
on the
>>>>>>> final release based on this snapshot build.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> This release is intended to be a bug fix release and to =
introduce some
>>>>>>> further languages:
>>>>>>> (1) 71 issues are fixed and a detailed list can be watched under
>>>>>>> http://s.apache.org/Huv.
>>>>>>> (2) 5 further languages are now officially supported: British =
English,
>>>>>>> Khmer, Slovenian, Slovak, and Finnish.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes =
under
>>>>>>> =
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Not=
es.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as =
binary
>>>>>>> releases for 20 languages) and further information how to verify =
and
>>>>>>> review Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) can be found on the
>>>>>>> following wiki page:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> =
hhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot=
+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1
>>>>>>> (incubating).
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Saturday, 18 August: 2012-08-18 2:00pm UTC+2.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on
>>>>>>> general@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further =
72 hours.
>>>>>>> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We =
would like
>>>>>>> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our =
project
>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 =
(incubating)
>>>>>>> [ ]  0 Don't care
>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20