Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87E91D187 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18287 invoked by uid 500); 14 Aug 2012 23:25:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18201 invoked by uid 500); 14 Aug 2012 23:25:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18193 invoked by uid 99); 14 Aug 2012 23:25:17 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:25:17 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dennis.hamilton@acm.org designates 216.119.133.2 as permitted sender) Received: from [216.119.133.2] (HELO a2s42.a2hosting.com) (216.119.133.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:25:12 +0000 Received: from 71-217-73-181.tukw.qwest.net ([71.217.73.181]:33184 helo=Astraendo) by a2s42.a2hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T1QTi-003uTo-6D for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:24:50 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" To: References: <016b01cd7a68$d37833b0$7a689b10$@rosenlaw.com> <3E0AAD80-8973-425B-A41F-563DA04C482A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <3E0AAD80-8973-425B-A41F-563DA04C482A@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:24:52 -0700 Organization: NuovoDoc Message-ID: <003e01cd7a74$01f65bd0$05e31370$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFljFafbmMg2llMxfZNu/MJLCE/JwF8yAIDArJQgzcB4WJaOZf5Sj1g Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s42.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - incubator.apache.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - acm.org X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Is it similar to the way that RTF 1.6 is now frozen but there are = extension mechanisms that don't require change to the RTF specification = itself? It was startling for me to notice that RTF anticipated the functionality = of OOXML Markup Compatibility and Extensibility (MCE). - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 16:09 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last) On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Lawrence Rosen = wrote: >> FYI. /Larry >>=20 >=20 > It is great to read about the improved ODF support, including ODF 1.2, > with OpenFormula and digital signature support. Those are two of the > major additions we made in ODF 1.2. The other was adding RDFa/RDF XML > support, which neither OpenOffice nor MS Office support. ( But there > is some support in Calligra Suite). >=20 > OOXML Strict was a concession to ISO National Bodies, a last ditch > effort invented in a conference room in Geneva to pacify delegates at > the Ballot Resolution Meeting. I was there. I saw it. There may be > specialized applications where OOXML Strict support is useful, such as > a format that a document generation application can target. But for > AOO, and for any other editor that cannot control the formats of input > documents, we need to be prepared to handle whatever users toss to > us, and that includes OOXML from Office 2007 and 2010, as well as > 2013. Along with the changes that happen in "parallel" in the Mac Office 2008 = and 2011 ... BTW - MSFT has been sneaking OOXML into the Binary formats in = "interesting" ways ... Regards, Dave >=20 > -Rob >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Lawrence Rosen >>=20 >> Rosenlaw & Einschlag, a technology law firm ( = www.rosenlaw.com) >>=20 >> 3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482 >>=20 >> Office: 707-485-1242 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Andy Updegrove [mailto:Andrew.Updegrove@gesmer.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:53 AM >> To: andrew.updegrove@gesmer.com >> Subject: Office to Become Fully Open XML Compliant (at last) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Between 2005 and 2008, an unparalleled standards war was waged = between >> Microsoft, on the one hand, and IBM, Google, Oracle and additional >> companies on the other hand. At the heart of the battle were two = document >> formats, one called ODF, developed by OASIS, a standards development >> consortium, and Open XML, a specification developed by Microsoft. = Both >> were submitted to, and adopted by, global standards groups ISO/IEC. >>=20 >> But after the dust settled, Microsoft did not fully implement the = standard >> that it had fought so vigorously to have become a global standard. >> Instead, it implemented what it called "Transitional Open XML," which = was >> better adapted for use in connection with documents created using = older >> versions of Office. >>=20 >> According to a blog posted yesterday by Jim Thatcher at the Office = Next Web >> site, Office 13 will - finally - permit users to open, edit and save >> documents in the format that ISO/IEC approved. Thatcher says that = Office >> 13 will also provide similar capabilities for the latest version of = ODF, >> approved by OASIS in January of this year (ODF 1.2), as well as for = PDF. >>=20 >> Much has changed since the great format wars of the last decade, and >> perhaps this is why, one day after the announcement, the announcement = has >> been mentioned in only two brief articles in the trade press. = That=E2=80=99s a >> shame, because document interoperability and vendor neutrality matter = more >> now than ever before as paper archives disappear and literally all of = human >> knowledge is entrusted to electronic storage. >>=20 >> Only if documents can be easily exchanged and reliably accessed down = ton an >> ongoing basis will desktop competition in the present be preserved, = and the >> availability of knowledge down through the ages be assured. 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