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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Draft] The Public Service Mission of OpenOffice
Date Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:59:42 GMT
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> <arielch@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Jürgen, *,
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 07:47:42AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> >> On 7/17/12 6:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> > I'd like to see if we can agree on a statement along these lines. 
I
>> >> > think it is important that we show how our project aligns with
>> >> > Apache's overall mission, which the apache.org home page phrases as:
>> >> > "provides support for the Apache community of open-source software
>> >> > projects, which provide software products for the public good."
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we do and always have been strongly aligned with this goal.
>> >> > But still, sometimes, we're questioned about our emphasis on
>> >> > distributing binaries, or seeking support for items related to
>> >> > distributing binaries.  In some ways we're the oddball at Apache,
>> >> > being the only prominent end-user facing project.  So I think it will
>> >> > help if we can express in clear terms how what we are doing is in fact
>> >> > for the public good, and our aims and achievements are at least as
>> >> > noble as what any other Apache project can claim.
>>
>
> Well I am still getting caught up from a while back and reviewing this
> post. I think the wiki page is very good as it stands and this this
> information should be incorporated on the "project" web page at least, may
> be directly under the What is OpenOffice section, a new section "The Public
> Service Mission", or, if we want to remain flexible, make it into a page
> that we can use to link from other areas -- the main www.openoffice.org. We
> have this old about.html page, http://www.openoffice.org/about/
>
> that is currently linked from the project web site. I think this mission
> information should be included on that.
>
> Yes/no? to any of these suggestions.
>

I have it here, on this page, but it is not linked to from anything yet:

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mission.html

It might work well to publicize this once we graduate.  But no
objections to using it earlier.

-Rob

>
>
>> >>
>> >> I totally agree and that is of course the most annoying point here at
>> >> Apache for me. But that is another topic and not for this thread.
>> >
>> > I guess it is because in Apache, so far, the idea was to provide
>> > software for the public good in form of source, for others to build
>> > their solutions upon. In OpenOffice's case, distributing binaries is
>> > also for the public good, not only for the reason mentioned by Rob, but
>> > mainly because OpenOffice provides a way to build your solution on top
>> > of its binary distribution with extensions, without needing to compile
>> > the source yourself, nor learn/modify a single line of code.
>> >
>>
>> This is a good point.  I remember reading, years ago, in a magazine
>> called "Computer Languages" (now defunct) about a survey they did of
>> corporate programmers, seeing what the most popular programming
>> language was.  This was 1992 or so.  The answer was not C, not COBOL,
>> but the 1-2-3 Macro language.   Today maybe such a survey would say
>> Javascript?
>>
>> But the meaning is clear;:  there are more application developers than
>> system developers.  And more script developers than application
>> developers.  The closer you get to "end user programming" the larger
>> your audience is and the more people you are helping.  You could think
>> of the spreadsheet itself as support end-user programming.
>>
>> > So it would be nice to have some numbers about extensions in Rob's paper
>> > (of course, we can only measure extensions on the extension's site; this
>> > will not include all the people builder their solutions in a commercial
>> > way).
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > --
>> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> > La Plata, Argentina
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think."
>                                                                         --
> Niels Bohr

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