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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: OO Sold on eBay
Date Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:26 GMT
On 13 August 2012 01:29, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Max Merbald <max.merbald@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'd say it's not very fair because probably not everyone knows OOO is
>>> > available for free. It's kind of weird that someone is trying to make
>>> money
>>> > with something which is available for free.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I wonder... is there anything that prevents one of us from offering
>>> the same thing on eBay, but at a near-zero price?  For example, would
>>> it be within eBay policy to have an auction for "instructions for
>>> downloading OpenOffice"?  Give all the same marketing plugs for
>>> features, etc., but set it as a "Buy Now" price of 1-cent or
>>> something.
>>>
>>> Some users want a CD, because of bandwidth limitations.  But the cost
>>> of information, in this case, should be nearly zero.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>
>> You might want to check out seller requirements first...
>>
>>  http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/questions/sell-requirements.html
>>
>> I would think if we're willing to "do" this -- and set this up somehow, the
>> answer is "no" unless ASF precludes this, which it might.
>>
>
> Drew mentioned another eBay policy that said you could not sell access
> to downloaded software.  You could only sell the media.
>
> Looking at the ebay auctions, some of them seem reasonable.  $3 or $5
> for a CD and packaging, shipping, etc., is not outrageous.
>
> But I am concerned that several of the auctions seem to be selling old
> versions of OpenOffice including 3.2 and 3.1.  These earlier versions
> lack important security fixes and those who distribute old versions,
> without a warning, are putting their customers at risk.
>
> As a project we take great pains to ensure the users who download from
> our website get authentic versions of our software, the latest
> versions, not tampered with.  We give the downloader ways of verifying
> this, with MD5 hashes and PGP signatures.
>
> But there is no current way that we can offer similar assurances to
> users who purchase a CD.  (Anyone who thinks users will verify
> checksums or signatures on a CD is deluded.)
>
> Our options:
>
> 1) Do nothing.  Bandwidth and access is increasing and this problem
> will solve itself...sometime.
>
> 2) Define voluntary requirements for distributors of OpenOffice.
> Those who agree to these requirements would be allowed use of a
> special logo and would be listed on our website.
>
> 3) One or more community members, acting outside of Apache, could
> organize to sell CD's on eBay at cost, and have eBay auction listings
> that are upfront and honest, explaining that the software is open
> source and can be downloaded for free.  We can give the URL right in
> the listing.  We would make it clear that the charge is only for
> convenience of having a CD delivered.

Is it worth approaching eBay with our concerns?
- ensuring that sellers credit (and link to) the ASF
- ensuring that sellers provide clear information on the version supplied
- ensuring that sellers provide the current version.
- etc.

Note: the seller page mentioned in this thread says:

>>>
Open Office 3.3
...
* This is the very latest version and fully updated.
<<<

That would be a good example of one of our concerns.

>>
>>>
>>> > Max
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Am 12.08.2012 18:19, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:48 AM, dan roch <dan.gum.tree.11@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> FYI
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't know if this goes agaist OO rules but this user on eBay
is
>>> >>> selling
>>> >>> copies of OO.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ebay user: allsorts-est-2011
>>> >>>
>>> >>> auction
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Office-for-Home-and-Student-2007-2010-2012-For-Microsoft-Windows-XP-Vista-7-/110922521399?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item19d37f5b37#ht_8329wt_1026
>>> >>>
>>> >> This has come up before...there is no issue with selling ANY copy of
>>> >> OpenOffice (old or new) as long as the vendor complies with licensing
or
>>> >> trademark requirements.
>>> >>
>>> >> This bit at the bottom --
>>> >>
>>> >> *Items contained on this CD are under the terms of the GNU License,
the
>>> >> GNU
>>> >> Lesser General Public Licences (LPGL) or the Mozilla Public Licence*
>>> >>
>>> >> well let's hope it's right.
>>> >>
>>> >> see also, our local Distribution FAQ--
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think."
>>                                                                         --
>> Niels Bohr

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