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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: release blocker
Date Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:43:50 GMT
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
<jogischmidt@googlemail.com>wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 1. August 2012 um 17:43 schrieb Kay Schenk:
> > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
> > <jogischmidt@googlemail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > On 8/1/12 2:44 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
> > > > <jogischmidt@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to bring up a new issue for our upcoming release.
> Thanks to
> > > > > Ariel who brought this to my attention.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is related to our external tarballs where we never got a 100%
> clear
> > > > > answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > - we host them in ooo/ext_sources
> > > > > - Pedro has already move cat-b stuff to ooo-extras on apache-extras
> > > > > - these tar balls are not part of our src release, they are
> checked in
> > > > > there for convenience and when we started the project we had to
> find a
> > > > > place for them to move forward
> > > > > - the tar balls get downloaded on demand during the bootstrap
> process in
> > > > > our build process
> > > > > - but as fallback only if the original source is not available.
> > > > > - the svn Url is referenced in the external_deps.lst file which is
> part
> > > > > of the src release
> > > > >
> > > > > Our SVN Url will change if we potentially graduate. This change
> will
> > > > > break our src release.
> > > > >
> > > > > To avoid potential -1 votes from IPMC members or mentors for the
> 3.4.1
> > > > > release and potential problems with our planned graduation I
> suggest
> > > > > that we fix this problem for 3.4.1. I hate to say that but it
> means that
> > > > > we have to rebuilt again. But it will avoid potential problems.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So two issues:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Pedro's concerns on Category-b tarballs stored in svn
> > > >
> > > > 2) Infra concerns about a build system that "phones home" and
> > > > downloads additional files from subversion
> > > >
> > > > To resolve both issues we need to remove build dependencies on *all*
> > > > download dependencies on svn tarballs, not just category-b ones. If
> > > > there are only category-a ones we should move them to Apache extras
> as
> > > > well, right?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > that is how I understand it now as well. We still have to improve to
> > > understand the not written down policies or to ask so long questions
> > > until we get clear answers.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Or is this not an issue?
> > >
> > > I think that is an issue and that the reason why I proposed a further
> > > rebuild. I would like to avoid further fruitless discussion and to
> bring
> > > us closer to a release with no surprising negative votes.
> > >
> > > Juergen
> > Hi Juergen --
> >
> > Thanks for brining this up.
> well it was not me, Ariel pointed me on this when we coordinated the
> builds via private email. I would ha e overseen the changing Urls during
> graduation.
> > This is something we've needed to do for a
> > while.
> >
> >
>
> Mmh, it depends how you see it. It is no technical issue. People argue
> with policies that are not really written down.
> > Better now than later.
> >
> >
>
> I agree but I am not happy with the timing.
>
> Juergen
>

Yeah, I know -- you get all set to do something and then --WAIT!

The thing is I think we really want to get going on the graduation vote
right after this release -- 3.4.1. So, it makes sense to do this now FOR
this release so we can demonstrate that it can be done, and the product can
be built this way.  Otherwise, I think we may have indeed gotten some
pushback.

If we don't do this now, I'm not sure what we be required to do in this
respect.

Ariel has a good point.

> So, yes, this is as good a time as any. A
> > little more delay in 3.4.1 is not a big deal at this point. Best of luck
> > with script building changes.
> >
> > +1 for this suggestion.
> >
> > >
> > > > -Rob
> > > >
> > > > > The related issue is
> > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120425
> > > > >
> > > > > This change will only affect the src release builds but we have to
> pack
> > > > > the office again to include the new version number.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will keep you informed
> > > > >
> > > > > Juergen
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "I'm just a normal jerk who happens to make music.
> > As long as my brain and fingers work, I'm cool."
> > -- Eddie Van Halen
> >
> >
>
>
>


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