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From "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
Subject Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
Date Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:50:56 GMT
Am 08/19/2012 05:08 AM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni:
> Hi Marcus;
>
> I am OK with people asking for help but I don't appreciate getting spammed
> If you could please obfuscate my email address it would be better.

sorry, of course. I hope the new way is better. Otherwise just tell me 
and suggest a better form.

Marcus



> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: rbircher@apache.org
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD,
Solaris, OS/2)?
>>
>> Am 08/18/2012 11:55 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>>   On 08/18/2012 09:53 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>   Am 08/18/2012 06:34 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>   Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>>   Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>   On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus
>> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>   Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus
>> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N.
>> McKenna:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob
>> Weir:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM,
>> drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28
>> -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at
>> 12:24 PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, 2012-08-01 at
>> 09:09 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I did some basic
>> update to the FreeBSD porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The site
>> doesn't seem linked from the top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   I would prefer to
>> spend my time on the code rather than on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   announcement,
>> however feel free to mention explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Just to make it
>> clear: we still have some cleanup to do but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   fully operational
>> and FreeBSD users are fully aware that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   on FreeBSD
>> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Then for BSD it should
>> be enough to just point to the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   IMHO, we should consolidate
>> all the porting links onto that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   That way it gives one clear
>> place to link to in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   also a single place we can
>> link to from other places in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For example, we should
>> probably eventually have a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   page from the download
>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   hmmm - well, I'm just
>> getting around to looking at things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   evening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Looking at the page(s) now...
>> *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   This might not be the right
>> place for what I thought was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   task - a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   list of existing known ports
>> which are not part of the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   The porting page and it's
>> associated pages seem more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   act of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   which starts off by pointing to
>> this page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   and that offers links to places
>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   So do we really want a page for
>> listing existing non-official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   ports
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   are known, a simple information
>> service for our users without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   explicitly stating such,
>> endorsing the work - or do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   resource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   for those wanting to perform a
>> port to a new platform - for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Maybe the existing porting page
>> remains as a developer-focused
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   It needs to be updated, of course,
>> but maybe not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Then we also need a user-facing
>> page about existing ports. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   could be a new page in the
>> /download directory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   There is already a page which points to
>> 3rd party software /
>>>>>>>>>>>>   packages:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Kay has created this to compensate the
>> old distribution webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>>   which
>>>>>>>>>>>>   was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   So, what about to extend this new page
>> with a "Ports" section
>>>>>>>>>>>>   from
>>>>>>>>>>>>   FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For the announcement the
>> user-facing one would be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Marcus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Morning All;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Just checking in on this thread to see if
>> there has been any
>>>>>>>>>>>   consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>   on how we should do this or if we should.
>> As we are fast
>>>>>>>>>>>   approaching
>>>>>>>>>>>   release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this
>> into the Release Notes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   As a stated bore I believe that it is
>> important to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>   information
>>>>>>>>>>>   out that these operating systems are not
>> forgotten and that Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>   OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   As I haven't seen any different let's
>> add these OSs with a
>>>>>>>>>>   statement to
>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>   "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   The announcement current links to:
>>>>>>>>>   http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top
>> listing if someone
>>>>>>>>>   searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months
>> and years and
>>>>>>>>   needs
>>>>>>>>   also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace)
>> an existing
>>>>>>>   page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new
>> page at a new
>>>>>>>   URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to,
>> both
>>>>>>>   internally and externally. So if we think the new content
>> is relevant
>>>>>>>   to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on
>> ports, then we
>>>>>>>   should keep the old URL for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting
>> page)
>>>>>>   - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>>>>>>   - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>>>>>>   - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>   I've updated the starting webpage at
>>>>>   "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
>>>>
>>>>   Ahm, it's still in the stageing area:
>>>>   http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/porting/index.html
>>>>
>>>>   Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and
>> mail
>>>>>   address (if available, the Apache addresses):
>>>>>
>>>>>   - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>>>>   - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas
>> Christener)
>>>>>   - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
>>>>>   - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
>>>>>
>>>>>   Is this OK for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>   Marcus
>>>
>>>   Marcus, on this last part...should Raphael Bircher be added for the
>>>   Solaris ports as well? But, we need to hear from both of them.
>>>
>>>   Nice job on this update by the way.
>>
>> Hm, I don't know how much he is involved with the port.
>>
>> @Raphael:
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Marcus

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