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From "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
Subject Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
Date Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:20:09 GMT
Am 08/19/2012 02:45 AM, schrieb drew:
> On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 01:15 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 08/18/2012 07:30 PM, schrieb drew:
>>> On Sat, 2012-08-18 at 18:53 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:34 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28 -0400,
Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24
PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>
  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 09:09
-0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did some basic update
to the FreeBSD porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The site doesn't seem
linked from the top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to spend
my time on the code rather than on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement, however
feel free to mention explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to make it clear:
we still have some cleanup to do but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully operational and
FreeBSD users are fully aware that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on FreeBSD releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then for BSD it should be
enough to just point to the page you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO, we should consolidate all
the porting links onto that one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way it gives one clear place
to link to in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also a single place we can link
to from other places in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, we should probably
eventually have a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page from the download page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hmmm - well, I'm just getting around
to looking at things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the page(s) now... *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might not be the right place
for what I thought was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task - a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of existing known ports which
are not part of the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The porting page and it's associated
pages seem more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which starts off by pointing to this
page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that offers links to places such
as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So do we really want a page for listing
existing non-official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are known, a simple information service
for our users without and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explicitly stating such, endorsing
the work - or do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for those wanting to perform a port
to a new platform - for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the existing porting page remains
as a developer-focused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It needs to be updated, of course, but
maybe not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we also need a user-facing page
about existing ports. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be a new page in the /download
directory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is already a page which points to 3rd
party software /
>>>>>>>>>>>> packages:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kay has created this to compensate the old
distribution webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what about to extend this new page with
a "Ports" section from
>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the announcement the user-facing
one would be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Morning All;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just checking in on this thread to see if there
has been any
>>>>>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>>>>> on how we should do this or if we should. As
we are fast approaching
>>>>>>>>>>> release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this into
the Release Notes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a stated bore I believe that it is important
to get the
>>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>>> out that these operating systems are not forgotten
and that Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I haven't seen any different let's add these OSs
with a
>>>>>>>>>> statement to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The announcement current links to: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top listing
if someone
>>>>>>>>> searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months and
years and
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace) an
existing
>>>>>>> page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new page
at a new
>>>>>>> URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to, both
>>>>>>> internally and externally. So if we think the new content is
relevant
>>>>>>> to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on ports,
then we
>>>>>>> should keep the old URL for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting page)
>>>>>> - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>>>>>> - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>>>>>> - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've updated the starting webpage at
>>>>> "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
>>>>
>>>> Ahm, it's still in the stageing area:
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/porting/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Great - updated the page at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>> with the winpenpack info also.
>>
>> Sorry, have you already or will you update the page? I still see the old
>> text without a hint for winpenpack.
>
> Hi,
>
> well...I got an update version number from the process and everything,
> really I did...but I don't see a change either...hmm, did I leave out a
> step..let's see.

Now it's in the staging area. Will be public when I've finished my update.

Marcus



>>>>> @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
>>>>>
>>>>> Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and mail
>>>>> address (if available, the Apache addresses):
>>>>>
>>>>> - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>>>> - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>>>> - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
>>>>> - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this OK for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus

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