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From "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
Subject Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
Date Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:15:29 GMT
Am 08/18/2012 07:30 PM, schrieb drew:
> On Sat, 2012-08-18 at 18:53 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 08/18/2012 06:34 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28 -0400, Rob Weir
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>
 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 09:09 -0700,
Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did some basic update to the
FreeBSD porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The site doesn't seem linked
from the top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to spend my time
on the code rather than on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement, however feel free
to mention explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to make it clear: we still
have some cleanup to do but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully operational and FreeBSD
users are fully aware that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on FreeBSD releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then for BSD it should be enough
to just point to the page you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO, we should consolidate all the porting
links onto that one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way it gives one clear place to
link to in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also a single place we can link to from
other places in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, we should probably eventually
have a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page from the download page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hmmm - well, I'm just getting around to looking
at things for
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the page(s) now... *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This might not be the right place for what
I thought was the
>>>>>>>>>>>> task - a
>>>>>>>>>>>> list of existing known ports which are not
part of the official
>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>> release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The porting page and it's associated pages
seem more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>>>> creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> which starts off by pointing to this page:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and that offers links to places such as
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So do we really want a page for listing existing
non-official
>>>>>>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> are known, a simple information service for
our users without and
>>>>>>>>>>>> explicitly stating such, endorsing the work
- or do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>> resource
>>>>>>>>>>>> for those wanting to perform a port to a
new platform - for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the existing porting page remains as a
developer-focused
>>>>>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>>>>> It needs to be updated, of course, but maybe
not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then we also need a user-facing page about existing
ports. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> could be a new page in the /download directory?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is already a page which points to 3rd party
software /
>>>>>>>>>> packages:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kay has created this to compensate the old distribution
webpage
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, what about to extend this new page with a "Ports"
section from
>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the announcement the user-facing one would
be the most
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Morning All;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just checking in on this thread to see if there has been
any
>>>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>>> on how we should do this or if we should. As we are fast
approaching
>>>>>>>>> release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this into the Release
Notes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a stated bore I believe that it is important to get
the
>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>> out that these operating systems are not forgotten and
that Apache
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I haven't seen any different let's add these OSs with
a
>>>>>>>> statement to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The announcement current links to: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top listing if someone
>>>>>>> searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months and years and
>>>>>> needs
>>>>>> also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace) an existing
>>>>> page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new page at a new
>>>>> URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to, both
>>>>> internally and externally. So if we think the new content is relevant
>>>>> to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on ports, then we
>>>>> should keep the old URL for it.
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>>>
>>>> - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting page)
>>>> - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>>>> - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>>>> - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
>>>
>>> I've updated the starting webpage at
>>> "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
>>
>> Ahm, it's still in the stageing area:
>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/porting/index.html
>>
>> Marcus
>
> Howdy,
>
> Great - updated the page at
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
> with the winpenpack info also.

Sorry, have you already or will you update the page? I still see the old 
text without a hint for winpenpack.

Marcus



>>> @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
>>>
>>> Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and mail
>>> address (if available, the Apache addresses):
>>>
>>> - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>> - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>> - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
>>> - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
>>>
>>> Is this OK for you?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marcus

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