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From Maho NAKATA <cha...@mac.com>
Subject Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
Date Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:38:41 GMT
Hi Marcus,
- FreeBSD by  Maho Nakata / Pedro Giffuni
thanks
Nakata Maho
From: "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
Subject: Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris,
OS/2)?
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:34:53 +0200

> Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>> Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N. McKenna:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 09:09 -0700, Pedro
Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did some basic update to the FreeBSD
porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The site doesn't seem linked from the
top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to spend my time on the
code rather than on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement, however feel free to mention
explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to make it clear: we still have
some cleanup to do but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully operational and FreeBSD users are
fully aware that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on FreeBSD releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then for BSD it should be enough to just
point to the page you
>>>>>>>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO, we should consolidate all the porting links
onto that one
>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>> That way it gives one clear place to link to
in the announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> also a single place we can link to from other
places in the
>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>> For example, we should probably eventually have
a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>> porting
>>>>>>>>>>> page from the download page.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hmmm - well, I'm just getting around to looking at
things for this
>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the page(s) now... *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This might not be the right place for what I thought
was the
>>>>>>>>>> task - a
>>>>>>>>>> list of existing known ports which are not part of
the official
>>>>>>>>>> AOO
>>>>>>>>>> release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The porting page and it's associated pages seem more
about the
>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>> creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which starts off by pointing to this page:
>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and that offers links to places such as
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So do we really want a page for listing existing
non-official
>>>>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> are known, a simple information service for our users
without and
>>>>>>>>>> explicitly stating such, endorsing the work - or
do we want a
>>>>>>>>>> resource
>>>>>>>>>> for those wanting to perform a port to a new platform
- for the
>>>>>>>>>> announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe the existing porting page remains as a developer-focused
>>>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>>> It needs to be updated, of course, but maybe not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then we also need a user-facing page about existing ports.
Maybe
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> could be a new page in the /download directory?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is already a page which points to 3rd party software
/
>>>>>>>> packages:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kay has created this to compensate the old distribution webpage
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, what about to extend this new page with a "Ports" section
from
>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the announcement the user-facing one would be the
most
>>>>>>>>> appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Morning All;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just checking in on this thread to see if there has been any
>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>> on how we should do this or if we should. As we are fast approaching
>>>>>>> release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this into the Release Notes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a stated bore I believe that it is important to get the
>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>> out that these operating systems are not forgotten and that Apache
>>>>>>> OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I haven't seen any different let's add these OSs with a
>>>>>> statement to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The announcement current links to: http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top listing if someone
>>>>> searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months and years and
>>>> needs
>>>> also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace) an existing
>>> page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new page at a new
>>> URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to, both
>>> internally and externally. So if we think the new content is relevant
>>> to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on ports, then we
>>> should keep the old URL for it.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>
>> - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting page)
>> - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>> - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>> - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
> 
> I've updated the starting webpage at
> "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
> 
> @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
> 
> Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and
> mail address (if available, the Apache addresses):
> 
> - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
> - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
> - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
> - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
> 
> Is this OK for you?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
> 

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