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From Pedro Giffuni <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
Date Sun, 19 Aug 2012 03:08:09 GMT
Hi Marcus;
 
I am OK with people asking for help but I don't appreciate getting spammed
If you could please obfuscate my email address it would be better.
 

thanks,

Pedro.

----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcus (OOo) <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: rbircher@apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris,
OS/2)?
> 
> Am 08/18/2012 11:55 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>> 
>> 
>>  On 08/18/2012 09:53 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>  Am 08/18/2012 06:34 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>  Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>  Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>  On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus 
> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>  Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus 
> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N. 
> McKenna:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob 
> Weir:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, 
> drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28 
> -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 
> 12:24 PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 
> 09:09 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I did some basic 
> update to the FreeBSD porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The site 
> doesn't seem linked from the top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I would prefer to 
> spend my time on the code rather than on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  announcement, 
> however feel free to mention explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Just to make it 
> clear: we still have some cleanup to do but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  fully operational 
> and FreeBSD users are fully aware that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  on FreeBSD 
> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then for BSD it should 
> be enough to just point to the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  IMHO, we should consolidate 
> all the porting links onto that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  That way it gives one clear 
> place to link to in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  also a single place we can 
> link to from other places in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  For example, we should 
> probably eventually have a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  page from the download 
> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  hmmm - well, I'm just 
> getting around to looking at things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  evening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Looking at the page(s) now... 
> *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  This might not be the right 
> place for what I thought was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  task - a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  list of existing known ports 
> which are not part of the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The porting page and it's 
> associated pages seem more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  act of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  which starts off by pointing to 
> this page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and that offers links to places 
> such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  So do we really want a page for 
> listing existing non-official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ports
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  are known, a simple information 
> service for our users without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  explicitly stating such, 
> endorsing the work - or do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  resource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  for those wanting to perform a 
> port to a new platform - for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Maybe the existing porting page 
> remains as a developer-focused
>>>>>>>>>>>>  page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>  It needs to be updated, of course, 
> but maybe not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Then we also need a user-facing 
> page about existing ports. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>  that
>>>>>>>>>>>>  could be a new page in the 
> /download directory?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  There is already a page which points to 
> 3rd party software /
>>>>>>>>>>>  packages:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Kay has created this to compensate the 
> old distribution webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>  which
>>>>>>>>>>>  was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  So, what about to extend this new page 
> with a "Ports" section
>>>>>>>>>>>  from
>>>>>>>>>>>  FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  For the announcement the 
> user-facing one would be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>  appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Marcus
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  Morning All;
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  Just checking in on this thread to see if 
> there has been any
>>>>>>>>>>  consensus
>>>>>>>>>>  on how we should do this or if we should. 
> As we are fast
>>>>>>>>>>  approaching
>>>>>>>>>>  release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this 
> into the Release Notes.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  As a stated bore I believe that it is 
> important to get the
>>>>>>>>>>  information
>>>>>>>>>>  out that these operating systems are not 
> forgotten and that Apache
>>>>>>>>>>  OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  As I haven't seen any different let's 
> add these OSs with a
>>>>>>>>>  statement to
>>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>  "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  The announcement current links to:
>>>>>>>>  http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top 
> listing if someone
>>>>>>>>  searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months 
> and years and
>>>>>>>  needs
>>>>>>>  also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace) 
> an existing
>>>>>>  page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new 
> page at a new
>>>>>>  URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to, 
> both
>>>>>>  internally and externally. So if we think the new content 
> is relevant
>>>>>>  to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on 
> ports, then we
>>>>>>  should keep the old URL for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting 
> page)
>>>>>  - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>>>>>  - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>>>>>  - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
>>>> 
>>>>  I've updated the starting webpage at
>>>>  "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
>>> 
>>>  Ahm, it's still in the stageing area:
>>>  http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/porting/index.html
>>> 
>>>  Marcus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>  @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
>>>> 
>>>>  Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and 
> mail
>>>>  address (if available, the Apache addresses):
>>>> 
>>>>  - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>>>  - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas 
> Christener)
>>>>  - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
>>>>  - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
>>>> 
>>>>  Is this OK for you?
>>>> 
>>>>  Thanks
>>>> 
>>>>  Marcus
>> 
>>  Marcus, on this last part...should Raphael Bircher be added for the
>>  Solaris ports as well? But, we need to hear from both of them.
>> 
>>  Nice job on this update by the way.
> 
> Hm, I don't know how much he is involved with the port.
> 
> @Raphael:
> What do you think?
> 
> Marcus
>  

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