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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:53:24 +0200
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Subject: Re: Improving the Open Office Toolbars
From: RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
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2012/7/28 Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>:
> KG01 - see comments inline.
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 5:40 AM, "Mike Buzzard" <mike01@earth-focus.org.uk> w=
rote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would really like it if you could make Open Office's Toolbars better:
>> better, even than any toolbars, ribbons, etc!
>
> KG01 - Indeed. Over time, toolbars can begin to feel overloaded.
>
>>
>> I don't like Microsoft's Ribbon system!
>>
>> I have tried to follow your efforts to make Toolbars better, but not
>> succeeded.
>
> KG01 - What does "better" mean to you? No wrong answers here. I'm looking=
 to work on the toolbars in the next release and am gathering feedback.
>
>> However, Corel (in CorelDraw, PhotoPaint) have had a system for over a
>> decade which very nearly solves the problem.  Have a try with CorelDraw:=
 the
>> toolbar changes depending on what you are doing, so nearly all the comma=
nds
>> available at any time are the ones on the toolbar that is showing.  It's=
 so
>> simple!
>
> KG01 - Yes, CorelDRAW had contextual toolbars back in version 7. There we=
re common toolbars that persisted in the workspace, then toolbars that woul=
d appear contextual to the selection. For example, selection text would evo=
ke a text properties toolbar. This is a pattern that AOO could explore to r=
educe complexity, minimize toolbar icon overload and present commands that =
are contextual to the selected element.

OOo had (and AOO has) contextual toolbars since 2.0. For example, the
table toolbar on Writer will pop up only when you put the cursor
inside a table or the picture toolbar will be visible only when you
select a picture. By default, they tend to appear on not so useful
places, but that can be easily fixed by anchoring them.


>>
>> It would be great if you could try to make it work with Open Office.
>
> KG01 - We could use your help. Watch the UX wiki for more on this topic a=
nd other UI enhancements.
>>
>> By the way, I have not put this idea forward before because I have not f=
ound
>> a way of doing it - every way of commenting seems to be so complicated.
>
> KG01 - Again, no wrong answers. What would be your ideal way to share pro=
duct ideas and feedback?
>>
>> Best wishes to all
>>
>> Mike Buzzard
>>
>