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boundary="980202461-1206485809-1342553539=:83730" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --980202461-1206485809-1342553539=:83730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well not quite.=A0 I view the paid infra staff=0Aas the people who "manage = the park".=A0 Ie the=0Ahardware and software that provides it, not=0Athe co= mmunity of visitors who exercise the=0Aphysical resources to create intelle= ctual=0Aassets (ie the commons).=0A=0A=0AHTH=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>_______________= _________________=0A> From: Donald Whytock =0A>To: ooo-= dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer =0A>Sent: T= uesday, July 17, 2012 3:29 PM=0A>Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websit= es=0A> =0A>I like the spirit of your analogy.=A0 The overall message is tha= t, if=0A>something needs doing, and you see it needs doing, you doing it is= the=0A>way to see it gets done fastest, and that if you recognize the need= ,=0A>then its getting done is something that benefits you, among others.=0A= >=0A>There's an important difference, though.=A0 There are no rangers in th= is=0A>park.=A0 No one's employed by the park to get something done.=A0 Mayb= e=0A>someone's employed by one of the office buildings next to the park=0A>= because they want nice scenery.=A0 But the park itself has no employees.=0A= >So if no one does something, it simply doesn't get done.=0A>=0A>Perhaps a = better analogy is a remote sparse community in mountain or=0A>wilderness ar= eas, where there isn't much in the way of government=0A>oversight and publi= c works.=A0 If you need a bridge over a chasm, you=0A>build it or there's n= o bridge.=A0 If livestock need a well, you dig it=0A>or there's no water.= =A0 Anyone who stands around waiting for something=0A>to get done is likely= to get (a) very hungry, (b) laughed at or (c)=0A>shot by someone who's str= uggling to do it for himself.=0A>=0A>This community is probably somewhere b= etween the two.=0A>=0A>=0A> --980202461-1206485809-1342553539=:83730--