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From Larry Gusaas <>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:54:29 GMT

On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> ________________________________
>> From: Hagar Delest <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>> Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to do such thing.
>> I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the deal
>> is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I find some
>> fun in it.
>> So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't understand this simple
>> fact, there is no point discussing further.
> Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work boring and
> beneath you.  As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do that
> sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that work
> less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and degrading and
> yes unfun.  Others won't mind in the least.  Such is life.
>> If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it myself too?
> Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have realized that.
>> I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to report for
>> the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and a new responsibility).
> Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials.
>> Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy.
>> I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I thought there
>> would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it could be fun to
>> contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it would be a
> thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of it.
> I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you either.  I have
> challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to match
> the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing list.
> Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip your karma
> for not trying.  The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the usual
> social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your peers, which
> may not bother you either.  Different strokes for different folks- there is no
> need for further drama here.

Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of language is insulting,

despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how to encourage people.

Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited attacks have caused him

Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not.


Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese

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