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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:10:26 GMT
Top-Post meta-comment - Dennis answered on legal-discuss - if you wish to follow:


On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:

> On Jul 16, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> <> wrote:
>>> I suggest that one not be so careless about asserting ASF copyright on third
party materials.
>>> Why does this meme persist?
>> Why is there a copyright notice on the ASF home page?  I assume that
>> is a copyright on the arrangement and selection of pages, as well as
>> the look and feel as set by the CSS, etc.  The ASF, via the
>> collaboration of its members, create a website that is not merely the
>> sum of the individual pages, but is a creative work in itself, similar
>> to a copyright that can exist on an anthology of poetry independent of
>> the copyright for the individual poems.
>>> Please consult Legal before doing anything so outrageous.
>> I don't see the outrage here with there being a copyright on the ASF
>> homepage.  Remember, *all* material on Apache websites is 3rd party,
>> unless done as a work for hire by an Apache employee.  The iCLA does
>> not assign copyright to Apache.  So we're not asserting a copyright on
>> 3rd party material.
> Agreed.
>> Note that we do the same thing in every Apache release, when we put an
>> ASF copyright statement in the NOTICE file.  Is that also an "outrage"
>> against 3rd party contributions?
>> Maybe the key is to find a way to make it clear that the copyright is
>> on the site as a whole, but that individual pages remain under the
>> copyright of their individual authors?
> I haven't read the entire discussion thread. Is that really necessary?
> Just double checking -- this material is apache licensed?
> --kevan

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