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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:04:30 GMT
Please, everyone.  Let's not pile on this thread with more name
calling, etc., in the heat of the moment.

Let's set it aside and see tomorrow if there is anything more that
should be said.  We accomplish nothing with rapid-fire, emotional



On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Larry Gusaas <> wrote:
> On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Hagar Delest <>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>> Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to do such
>>> thing.
>>> I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the
>>> deal
>>> is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I find some
>>> fun in it.
>>> So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't understand this
>>> simple
>>> fact, there is no point discussing further.
>> Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work boring
>> and
>> beneath you.  As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do that
>> sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that
>> work
>> less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and degrading
>> and
>> yes unfun.  Others won't mind in the least.  Such is life.
>>> If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it
>>> myself too?
>> Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have realized
>> that.
>>> I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to report
>>> for
>>> the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and a
>>> new responsibility).
>> Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials.
>>> Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy.
>>> I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I
>>> thought there
>>> would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it could
>>> be fun to
>>> contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it
>>> would be a good
>> thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of it.
>> I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you either.  I
>> have
>> challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to
>> match
>> the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing
>> list.
>> Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip your
>> karma
>> for not trying.  The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the
>> usual
>> social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your peers,
>> which
>> may not bother you either.  Different strokes for different folks- there
>> is no
>> need for further drama here.
> Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of
> language is insulting, despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how
> to encourage people.
> Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited attacks
> have caused him to resign.
> Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not.
> --
> _________________________________
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website:
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese

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