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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:20:54 GMT
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:09 AM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 20:11 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> @Rob,
>>
>> Yes, I am seeing what you are seeing.
>>
>> Concerning the ToU for the forums, it is the same as what was previously on the web
site.  While there is a license grant for non-code and other places where no other license
is applied, the license is also to "all Users".
>>
>> @Rob, @Drew, @Kay
>>
>> I created an issue that proposed a new terms of use that was consistent with the
Oracle ones for ASF and would have not made this problem worse, as far as I can tell.  That
was long ago and it went nowhere.  The JIRA issue is here: <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-104>.
 Here's the connected issue on our Bugzilla: <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518>.
 I came to our Bugzilla because LEGAL-104 can't have attachments.  The attachment on the Bugzilla
provides a red-lined transformation of the Oracle ToU into one that could work for the forums,
wikis, and web pages now under ASF custodianship.
>>
>> It addresses some of the cases that Rob also mentions.  I stand by my analysis. 
You might want to see how to carve out what you want from that, since it is at least a start
and the places where further customization may be called for are all identified.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> You did a good job on it then too.
>
> I just took the time to go back and read over the exchange on the legal
> JIRA entry and a quick read, again, of your markup to the original TOU
> text.
>
> For a TOU link in the website, wiki and forum footer I think it is a
> good think to just finish this up and use it.
>
> The website no longer offers account creation so with the new TOU and
> the current  http://www.openoffice.org/privacy.html , I suppose it would
> be done (for today :)
>
> where one does still have a difference between registered and
> non-registered users:
>
> - the media wiki already has
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights
>  so I suppose that would be done (for today) also.
>
> - the forums, just add a requirement that everything new is ALv2 in
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ucp.php?mode=terms (and
> it's translations)
>
> At least it seems this simple to me, does it really need to be thought
> out a lot further then that?
>

If someone has a specific proposal, can they stick it on the Cwiki as
a draft and we can work on it a bit?

"As simple as possible, but no simpler".

-Rob

> //drew
>
>>
>> Some months ago it was discussed with the ASF Board whether a privacy condition and
safe-harbor setup was desired.  That apparently didn't get anywhere.
>>
>>
>>
>
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