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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Terms of Service on Forums
Date Wed, 04 Jul 2012 02:07:36 GMT
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Kay Schenk <> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Rob Weir <> wrote:
>> Can someone take ownership of this issue?
>> Look at
>> Then to the footer and the "Policies and Terms of Use".
>> This links to this page:
>> That starts with "This Site and its contents are made available by
>> Oracle America, Inc. for and on behalf of itself and its subsidiaries
>> and affiliates under common control ("Oracle")"
>> It is nearly all wrong.  I consider a graduation issue that we get
>> this remedied.
>> Would it make sense to harmonize the terms with the wiki?  Both allow
>> user/non-committer contributions.
>> -Rob
> Yes, when Dave pointed this out the other day, I saw this as well.
> We need to correct this page at least, and it would make perfect sense to
> me to use these  terms for the wiki, the forums, and our main web site,
>, as well.
> I brought this up a few days ago but no reply to that.
> Re the web site -- these terms seemed to be adequate for Sun and for Oracle
> so why not us? But, it would probably be best to continue the web site
> discussion on the previous thread --
> [DISCUSSION] (Re)use of Website Content

I'd keep the reuse issue separate.  We're here to publish software.
Creating a reusable website is nice, but not our primary purpose.  We
just need a basic terms of service that covers things like:

1) Privacy policy, including required notices for our use of Google Analytics

2) Statement that the user agrees to post only content that they own

3) Statement that user agrees to have their content hosted on the website

We can go beyond that in terms of an outgoing license if we really
wanted to, but it is not strictly necessary.  And the fact we haven't
managed to do that in over a year makes me think that keeping it
basic, but accurate, is the most direct approach.

Suggested quick fix:

1) Remove the Oracle terms from the Forum

2) Make the current link in the forum footer point to this page:

3) Make this page also include the content from the privacy policy
here:  (or link to it)

4) Ensure that the other NL forums either point to the same terms, or
an accurate translation.

5) (Future) If someone wants to have an outgoing license then they
should make a proposal and start a discussion on the forums about

My two cents.


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> MzK
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>  than a horse that will not fare."
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