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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:18:12 GMT
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2012-07-17 3:01 PM Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I trust you reserve this behavior for this mailing list and
>> do not subject forum participants to the pack-animal behavior
>> you've been exhibiting here lately.  The biggest concern I have
>> here with forum participants on this list is how their behavior
>> here translates to their conduct in the forums- I hope we would
>> havegotten wind of it by now if this were commonplace over there.
>> Hagar was brought in to help ensure PPMC oversight over that activity;
>> if he steps down I'm not sure who should replace him.
>
>
> I reserve this behaviour for people like you who make insulting and
> demeaning comments and fail to see or acknowledge how insulting their
> comments are.
>
> Hagar's stepping down is solely your responsibility. As a mentor you should
> be aware of how insulting your comments to Hagar were. You owe Hagar an
> apology.
>
> As far as behaviour, yours is despicable. I am glad you are not active on a
> forum,.
>

Larry, I must remind you of our list conduct guidelines, specifically
numbers 1, 3, 4 & 5:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29List+Conduct+Policy

-Rob


> As a mentor you are doing a lousy job if this thread is an example of your
> typical behaviour. You need to examine your actions here and reevaluate your
> attitude. If you are unable to realize how insulting your remarks to Hagar
> were you should just keep your mouth shut.
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com>
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>   From: Hagar Delest <hagar.delest@laposte.net>
>>>>>   To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM
>>>>>   Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>>>>>
>>>>>   Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to
>>>
>>> do such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But
>>>>> the
>>>
>>> deal
>>>>>
>>>>>   is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I
>>>
>>> find some
>>>>>
>>>>>   fun in it.
>>>>>   So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't
>>>
>>> understand this simple
>>>>>
>>>>>   fact, there is no point discussing further.
>>>>
>>>>   Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work
>>>> boring
>>>
>>> and
>>>>
>>>>   beneath you.  As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do
>>>
>>> that
>>>>
>>>>   sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that
>>>> work
>>>>   less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and
>>>> degrading
>>>
>>> and
>>>>
>>>>   yes unfun.  Others won't mind in the least.  Such is life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it
>>>
>>> myself too?
>>>>
>>>>   Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have
>>>> realized
>>>
>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to
>>>
>>> report for
>>>>>
>>>>>   the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool
>>>>> and
>>>
>>> a new responsibility).
>>>>
>>>>   Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I
>>>
>>> thought there
>>>>>
>>>>>   would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it
>>>
>>> could be fun to
>>>>>
>>>>>   contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking
it
>>>
>>> would be a good
>>>>
>>>>   thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of
>>>
>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>   I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you
>>>
>>> either.  I have
>>>>
>>>>   challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project
>>>> to
>>>
>>> match
>>>>
>>>>   the expectations of the other participants and committers on this
>>>> mailing
>>>
>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>   Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip
>>>
>>> your karma
>>>>
>>>>   for not trying.  The worst thing that will likely happen to you are
>>>> the
>>>
>>> usual
>>>>
>>>>   social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your
>>>> peers,
>>>
>>> which
>>>>
>>>>   may not bother you either.  Different strokes for different folks-
>>>> there is
>>>
>>> no
>>>>
>>>>   need for further drama here.
>>>
>>> Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of
>>> language is
>>> insulting,
>>> despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how to encourage people.
>>>
>>> Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited
>>> attacks
>>> have caused him to
>>> resign.
>>>
>>> Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not.
>>>
>>> --
>>> _________________________________
>>>
>>> Larry I. Gusaas
>>> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
>>> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
>>> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
>>> theirs." - Edgard Varese
>>>
>
>
> --
> _________________________________
>
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese
>
>

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